Comments on: Java haters, gtfo

By: Genny

Genny — Fri, 01 May 2009 10:23:35 +0000

99% bullshit, congratulations.
This is more about you hating anything non-Java, than about Java-haters.
You mentioned Lisp, Ruby (heard about anyhing else?) but have you ever actually used them? perhaps that would give you some ground for your “arguments”.

By: Jferg

Jferg — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:28:50 +0000

Heard the same rant back when Java/OO was going to retire all that “broken” COBOL. That still runs, still makes money. Replace the attacks on people’s choice of facial makeup with attacks on Java/C++ elites with long hair and beards… and voila, presto no chang-o.

Also, there was an equally annoying parade of OO Methodologists and Java wizards peddling half-tested ideas on how to re-write all that working code and save the world with objects… using their new magic.

Moving away from the petty bickering and personal attacks….

SOA fans will realize typeless boundaries are much easier to deal with and the industry creates them as a layer - for example HL7. Now, the Java people are creating Apache Tuscany SDO to create a flexible parameter structure that is dynamically typed. Why? Well, to do real work. Typeless != worhtless.

On the topic of patterns and ignoring them: Design Patterns in Ruby, good book and nice perspective for a veteran C++/Java programmer who bought the GOF book the year it came out and has applied it when suited ever since.

So get back to work all of ya (even the Java haters) and stop giving programmers a bad name! Bah!

By: Fat Gordie

Fat Gordie — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:51:41 +0000

Hey, the only language I write in is English. My computer geeky buddy sent this site to me thinking I might find it humorous… and believe me I did. You guys take yourselves way too seriously.
Being an outsider and not knowing anything about code, languages and platforms, I obviouslycan’t offer geeky insight into the situation; however, one constant I do feel confident in expressing is that nobody actually supports their arguments with any concrete evidence… it’s an endless list of “Mines better”, “No, mines better”, “NO, mines better”…. and what does that lead to? SFA, that’s what.
ps I especially enjoyed the ad hominems… quite amusing.

By: Mister mister

Mister mister — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:22:27 +0000

Ok, most people are missing the point. It’s _not_ about Java being better. It’s about the in-your-face visionary freaks with their friggin better-than-your’s language (and it needn’t be Java that they are superior about). With total disregard for what’s commercially viable. Whiners. Go back into your parent’s basement and play with your toy languages already.

By: John

John — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:57:07 +0000

SPOILER: Java sucks. Get over it.

By: Soleone

Soleone — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:51:43 +0000

@Brendan:

For example:
http://shopify.com (eCommerce) and
http://twitter.com (uses Rails on the frontend afaik)

By: Corporate

Corporate — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:43:24 +0000

Dear God!

Its not how you solve it; its that you do!
Its not how you solve it; just as long as there is a meaningful user guide.
Its not how you solve it; just as long as I can find someone else cheaper tommorrow to maintain it

PS. After the Christmas incident, my grandmother and I are quite closer.

By: Brendan

Brendan — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:43:46 +0000

Hahaha!

In my mind it’s mostly about tools and APIs which is where Java rules. Plus most of the dynamic languages run on the JVM anyway.

With JavaRebel Java now gets some advantages of the dynamic languages while still retaining all it’s other benefits.

Are there any other RoR apps worth looking at besides Campfire?

By: Minimi

Minimi — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:02:35 +0000

Ok. So I guess .NET is a lot different, right? Or Ruby?

By: _N_

_N_ — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:17:39 +0000

There’s one cool(and awful at the same time) thing about java - its that it is SIMPLE.
Writing in java is EASY. Which has the unfortunate consequence of allowing ANY IDIOT to use it. And the scary thing is that it is what happens. I mean C++ had a couple tricky things like pointers to keep a decent amount of would-be coders at bay writing “hello world!” “programs”. now what happens? Every other day you look at a piece of code and say to yourself “hell the guy who wrote this has really got some issues” . And find yourself writing even uglier code to circumvent the problem. Welcome to java world!

By: mdml

mdml — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:49:18 +0000

ehh. I like Java and all, but I hate it too. Every language sucks in a different way. I’m working in Python now. (An actual, good-paying job, too, contrary to the claims of this post.) But it’s fucking disgusting. At least there’s no XML config files though. I never want to look at XML config files ever again. If all XML config files in every Java framework could be converted to YAML I might be able to look at the code. But I’m quiting the Python thing and I’m going back to a Java job next week, but I feel like I’m going back to an ex-girlfriend that I dumped because she was ugly and now I’m taking her back because I haven’t gotten laid in 6 months. Bad. Bad. Bad.

I feel like Java is still a fixer-upper. It’s ugly and cumbersome in some ways, but I feel like a lot of the big problems have been solved, and it is getting less verbose, easier to code. Maybe someday it’ll be the One True Language. But maybe Ruby will. Except for that stupid def / end sit. Why not just use curly braces? Goddammmit.

By: Angsuman Chakraborty

Angsuman Chakraborty — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:30:28 +0000

Refreshing. However without the invectives it would have been better.
Frankly I haven’t heard a single good objection against java except that it is not available on most shared web hosting and so not usable for smaller web sites.
Java applets got the wrong end of the stick due to negative press not due to lack of serious faults. Let’s see if JavaFx can do better.

By: Dale

Dale — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:59:13 +0000

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to express my loathing for Java-based applications. I have nothing against the language itself, and I think Java is great on the server, but Java on the desktop is slow and it takes over my machine in a most unfriendly way. That’s all, that’s the only reason I loathe Java.

By: Klasanov

Klasanov — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:10:13 +0000

This whole place reeks of code religious fanatics. Sad. Really.

By: LOL Java

LOL Java — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:29:50 +0000

As opposed to Java weenies that wank themselves over the latest acronyms on the market.

JPBLAH is the latest enterprise methodology to incentivise your productivity. OMG I JUST CAME!!!11!!

Java is shit. It is slow, cumbersome, large and stupid. It died on the desktop, and is barely just alive on the web (PHP destroys everyone there). But Java devs live in their own world, where every single one of them is apparently programming mission-critical-distributed-transaction-driven-enterprise system, or is a hotshot consultant making $300 an hour.

In reality, Java is used by replaceable code monkeys for whom Sun tailored the language. Java was created to sell shit that nobody needed. Hence the billion app servers, frameworks, random UML tools and methodology books targetted at the average Java developer. No sooner has someone released some over-engineered pile of Java shite, there are 600 page books published on how to use it.

If you Java jokers actually removed your lips from around Sun’s flaccid cock, you’d realise that there are problems with Java, and that for a lot of problems, far better alternatives exist.

By: Anonymous Bastard

Anonymous Bastard — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:30:22 +0000

“(because of dynamic typing), which results in better maintainable code”

MUUUAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you have GOT to be kidding me!?!?!

Maybe, just maybe, an argument can be made that it’s faster to develop in dynamically typed languages. But to claim better maintainability is FUCKING INSANE!!!

By: linc

linc — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:57:36 +0000

Hilarious, and even funny. I needed a laugh, I’m a busy grownup and don’t have time to laugh at whatever lameass tv show nerds watch these days. Bah humbug.

Yes I like java too, but mobile java is pissing me off… I think the API is only a suggestion… With every birth the babies have new flippers in different places…

Still, yes your points about the worthlessness of many other technologies is true and well said. I like your blog but will let the others offer to have your dyslexic autism babies.

By: anonymous

anonymous — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:46:13 +0000

@resolvent, it sounds like you are after an existing software package then creating your own. C++ or Java should be able to solve your problem.

By: resolvent

resolvent — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:20:42 +0000

By the way, I have spent more than a year, trying to do Java “properly”: from the foundations up,
following all the advice and accumulated wisdom and experience from a close friend and Java expert.

And, yet - still after working on these fundamentals -
I cannot open past the first page. I am still staring at a blank screen.
I have no idea how to open a project and put the various .java files into it,
nor how to track down all the .java files and their dependencies.

I’d taken C++ 2 semesters in 2005 formally in school. I did well (2 A’s). I learned a lot from it.
Infinitely more than if I had just fumble and played around with it on my own.
I wrote small little routines outside of my class assignments shortly after the courses ended.
But, nothing ever went beyond that. Java has been even worse. I have “plateaued” - if you believe
in such a thing - at an even lower level for a longer period with Java than with C++.

I have no money to pay anyone to program for me. So, that is not an option for me.

One thing I hate about C++ - and Java - multiple filenames (extensions) are created and scattered
all over the place and multi dependencies scattered all over the place.

Again - yes - I should focus on a language which WILL do the job I want,
rather than complain about a language that won’t work for me.

That is why I have found MS Word and Mathtype the most useful language for conveying
mathematical, scientific and engineering ideas to the user. Perhaps I am being greedy
hoping for something more.

By: resolvent

resolvent — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:10:18 +0000

It is all great in theory to tell others to learn new things and to keep learning throughout the remainder of their lives. But in practical reality that is worthless advice for those who have worked hard learning new and
many varied things and yet have never been paid for it, never been given a paid job, and are forced to live
on savings for the rest of their lives, and their savings will last only a year or two.

I agree that one should not complain about computer language or platform X if it’s not the right tool for one’s job
if there exists another computer language or platform Y that does the job.
However, what if there exists no computer language that can do the job?
I am working on writing an application in which a user can enter SMILES notation for chemical reactions.
I want the program to compute the equilibria concentrations of each species.

So far, no computer language can do the job. Maple, by MapleSoft, has come closest.
I can compute individual answers. I am forced to retype my equations each time I try a different
set of reactions. So, Maple is not ideal. But, it still have proven to be far more practical and useful
for MY purposes than Java or C++ or any form of OOP.