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	<title>Comments on: Google Code: Ugliness is not just skin deep</title>
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		<title>By: This Is Just Great</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-8564</link>
		<dc:creator>This Is Just Great</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“Menu items and options are scattered about like goat pebbleturds on a mountain.”

Holyshit. That is one of the funniest fucking things I’ve ever read.&quot;

Can&#039;t stop laughing!!!! OMFG - this must be the comparison of the year</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Menu items and options are scattered about like goat pebbleturds on a mountain.”</p>
<p>Holyshit. That is one of the funniest fucking things I’ve ever read.&#8221;</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t stop laughing!!!! OMFG &#8211; this must be the comparison of the year</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Cruickshank</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-8023</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Cruickshank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t change the software licence either... I recently relicenced Docvert from LGPL to GPLv3 and there&#039;s no way to change that in Google Code. Bah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t change the software licence either&#8230; I recently relicenced Docvert from LGPL to GPLv3 and there&#8217;s no way to change that in Google Code. Bah!</p>
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		<title>By: Kris Kristoffersson</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-7737</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris Kristoffersson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t seem to be able to download Sistas Fucking ApacheCocksuckersUpTheAss With BigBlackDildos-DivX-preview.avi. Please help.</description>
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		<title>By: Rick Hightower</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-7559</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Hightower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Hani&#039;s best line was when someone threatened to beat him up by proxy at Java One a couple of years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Hani&#8217;s best line was when someone threatened to beat him up by proxy at Java One a couple of years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Sergey Brin</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-7509</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergey Brin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 06:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re just trying not to come off as a google-fetisjist (after your falling in love with guice), so you bile their most irrelevant product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re just trying not to come off as a google-fetisjist (after your falling in love with guice), so you bile their most irrelevant product.</p>
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		<title>By: Luci Sandor</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-7487</link>
		<dc:creator>Luci Sandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grendel is mistaken, the fuss about Gmail is not in its usability, the way it is not in the open standards they preached and crippled at the same time. The fuss was about storage and it was well maintained because Google has the marketing tools to maintain it. How can you call accessible a thing that has commands as regular HTML drop-downs, regular HTML links, and a DHTML/Javascript dropdown? Some commands have Undo, mostly they don&#039;t, which is bad, because you have the Mac OS paradigm, one-click commands instead of one-click-plus-mandatory-OK-button two-clicks way of doing things, so when you click the wrong thing, there you go, your emails are gone, (e.g. Delete all supposed spam), and only CIA has the backup copy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grendel is mistaken, the fuss about Gmail is not in its usability, the way it is not in the open standards they preached and crippled at the same time. The fuss was about storage and it was well maintained because Google has the marketing tools to maintain it. How can you call accessible a thing that has commands as regular HTML drop-downs, regular HTML links, and a DHTML/Javascript dropdown? Some commands have Undo, mostly they don&#8217;t, which is bad, because you have the Mac OS paradigm, one-click commands instead of one-click-plus-mandatory-OK-button two-clicks way of doing things, so when you click the wrong thing, there you go, your emails are gone, (e.g. Delete all supposed spam), and only CIA has the backup copy.</p>
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		<title>By: babu nenu vunna</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-7486</link>
		<dc:creator>babu nenu vunna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHAHA HAHAHA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHAHA HAHAHA</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-7483</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about they just give us a hosted copy of TRAC.  That would blow google-code away but damn, none of their &quot;apps&quot; &quot;engineers&quot; would have anything to do I guess.  Just a minimal amount of work to integrate it with groups and wah-lah, you have the one thing that trac is missing, a decent forum.  Oh, but it&#039;s only one level.  Oh well, that&#039;s g-groups, suck it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about they just give us a hosted copy of TRAC.  That would blow google-code away but damn, none of their &#8220;apps&#8221; &#8220;engineers&#8221; would have anything to do I guess.  Just a minimal amount of work to integrate it with groups and wah-lah, you have the one thing that trac is missing, a decent forum.  Oh, but it&#8217;s only one level.  Oh well, that&#8217;s g-groups, suck it up.</p>
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		<title>By: ramsinb</title>
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		<dc:creator>ramsinb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do you really think Google’s standards are higher than most software companies? I mean, search, gmail, and maps are pretty cool, but what else? Google reader? Froogle? Google checkout?&quot;

Totally agree! Even with maps they bought it from another company so really the only good thing google has developed (that i use anyway) is search and gmail. Thats again because the rest are just crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do you really think Google’s standards are higher than most software companies? I mean, search, gmail, and maps are pretty cool, but what else? Google reader? Froogle? Google checkout?&#8221;</p>
<p>Totally agree! Even with maps they bought it from another company so really the only good thing google has developed (that i use anyway) is search and gmail. Thats again because the rest are just crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Zarar Siddiqi</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-7470</link>
		<dc:creator>Zarar Siddiqi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does Bob Lee think about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does Bob Lee think about this?</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Wiseman</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-7406</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoffrey Wiseman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This space is funny.  SourceForge is only &#039;the best&#039; because the alternatives are so, so much worse.  It&#039;s like nobody in this space has any idea how to build web application that&#039;s actually pleasing to use.   

Google Code is awkward (more so than I realized).  dev.java.net is pretty fugly as well.  Codehaus just integrates good products from elsewhere, possibly a better approach, but not quite the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This space is funny.  SourceForge is only &#8216;the best&#8217; because the alternatives are so, so much worse.  It&#8217;s like nobody in this space has any idea how to build web application that&#8217;s actually pleasing to use.   </p>
<p>Google Code is awkward (more so than I realized).  dev.java.net is pretty fugly as well.  Codehaus just integrates good products from elsewhere, possibly a better approach, but not quite the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-7405</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Menu items and options are scattered about like goat pebbleturds on a mountain.&quot;

This is probably one of the most clever lines of all time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Menu items and options are scattered about like goat pebbleturds on a mountain.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is probably one of the most clever lines of all time.</p>
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		<title>By: edovale</title>
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		<dc:creator>edovale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who gives a flying fuck about your clever svn backend?&quot;
I don&#039;t know how clever it is; I do know how slow it is!! sometimes I have to try 2 or 3 times before I can get a mere 3 files change set up to google code...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who gives a flying fuck about your clever svn backend?&#8221;<br />
I don&#8217;t know how clever it is; I do know how slow it is!! sometimes I have to try 2 or 3 times before I can get a mere 3 files change set up to google code&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Luigi R. Viggiano</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-7403</link>
		<dc:creator>Luigi R. Viggiano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well :)

I like google code, and download delete is available (you are wrong) even if that functionality is hidden enough to make dumb guys impossible to find it.
Click on &quot;Summary + Labels&quot; then from the download details, you go on the toolbar (under the tabs) and find the delete.

Pros:
You get free svn access over ssl, so that, you can easily make some commits behind damn company firewalls.
Text areas, to define custom labels, are innovative. How many idiot analyst would have a table for every fucking select control in a webapp? store it in a textarea, and let people to input freely (select become comboboxes)

Cons:
I got technical errors while using the wiki.
Simple no-frills issue management. (even if more control over posts could be nice to have)

I would just suggest google to provide free JSP+Servlet hosting. And some CI platform too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well :)</p>
<p>I like google code, and download delete is available (you are wrong) even if that functionality is hidden enough to make dumb guys impossible to find it.<br />
Click on &#8220;Summary + Labels&#8221; then from the download details, you go on the toolbar (under the tabs) and find the delete.</p>
<p>Pros:<br />
You get free svn access over ssl, so that, you can easily make some commits behind damn company firewalls.<br />
Text areas, to define custom labels, are innovative. How many idiot analyst would have a table for every fucking select control in a webapp? store it in a textarea, and let people to input freely (select become comboboxes)</p>
<p>Cons:<br />
I got technical errors while using the wiki.<br />
Simple no-frills issue management. (even if more control over posts could be nice to have)</p>
<p>I would just suggest google to provide free JSP+Servlet hosting. And some CI platform too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-7402</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So why don’t you fix it motherfucker instead of just criticize?&quot;

I&#039;m not sure whether the author has the capacity to fix google&#039;s code hosting, but it does seem fundamentally flawed to me.

The who concept seems to be centered around the implementation of a subversion repository.  And, IMO, that&#039;s the biggest flaw.  Google&#039;s business is built on distributed tools, and this service they provide to users is based on a centralized revision control system.  They had an opportunity to differentiate, but so far it&#039;s just, ``dude, check out our svn repository.&#039;&#039;  I don&#039;t believe that subversion (or any other centralized revision control tool) is appropriate for open source projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So why don’t you fix it motherfucker instead of just criticize?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure whether the author has the capacity to fix google&#8217;s code hosting, but it does seem fundamentally flawed to me.</p>
<p>The who concept seems to be centered around the implementation of a subversion repository.  And, IMO, that&#8217;s the biggest flaw.  Google&#8217;s business is built on distributed tools, and this service they provide to users is based on a centralized revision control system.  They had an opportunity to differentiate, but so far it&#8217;s just, &#8220;dude, check out our svn repository.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t believe that subversion (or any other centralized revision control tool) is appropriate for open source projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Remember Objective</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-7401</link>
		<dc:creator>Remember Objective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Delivering a rushed project with many bugs and missing features is one thing, remaining that state a year on is a level of incompetence and idiocy that’s usually unacceptable in the real world. Those poor fuckers wouldn’t last a day if they had a real job in a real company.&quot;

So if you don&#039;t have the instinct,  or can&#039;t follow it anymore for various reasons,  to find this &quot;real world&quot; with the &quot;real company&quot;,  leaving behind all the shit code that is beneath you to work on for some other loser,  you have to develop skills for being surrounded by incompetence.  

So why don&#039;t you fix it motherfucker instead of just criticize?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Delivering a rushed project with many bugs and missing features is one thing, remaining that state a year on is a level of incompetence and idiocy that’s usually unacceptable in the real world. Those poor fuckers wouldn’t last a day if they had a real job in a real company.&#8221;</p>
<p>So if you don&#8217;t have the instinct,  or can&#8217;t follow it anymore for various reasons,  to find this &#8220;real world&#8221; with the &#8220;real company&#8221;,  leaving behind all the shit code that is beneath you to work on for some other loser,  you have to develop skills for being surrounded by incompetence.  </p>
<p>So why don&#8217;t you fix it motherfucker instead of just criticize?</p>
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		<title>By: Thiago HP</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-7400</link>
		<dc:creator>Thiago HP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SourceForge anyone? java.net? JavaForge?</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-7399</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see we didn&#039;t have to wait for another JavaOne for more reading material... :-)</description>
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		<title>By: grendel</title>
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		<dc:creator>grendel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It isn’t just bad by Google standards, it’s bad by any standard.&quot;

Do you really think Google&#039;s standards are higher than most software companies? I mean, search, gmail, and maps are pretty cool, but what else? Google reader? Froogle? Google checkout?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It isn’t just bad by Google standards, it’s bad by any standard.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you really think Google&#8217;s standards are higher than most software companies? I mean, search, gmail, and maps are pretty cool, but what else? Google reader? Froogle? Google checkout?</p>
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		<title>By: Goat PebbleTurd</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/06/google-code-ugliness-is-not-even-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-7397</link>
		<dc:creator>Goat PebbleTurd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Menu items and options are scattered about like goat pebbleturds on a mountain.&quot;

Holyshit. That is one of the funniest fucking things I&#039;ve ever read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Menu items and options are scattered about like goat pebbleturds on a mountain.&#8221;</p>
<p>Holyshit. That is one of the funniest fucking things I&#8217;ve ever read.</p>
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