Good riddance, Marc Fleury.
Well well well, it’s no surprise to anyone, but Marc Fleury has left the building.
Good fucking riddance, that’s what I say. Regardless of what he did or didn’t do, he certainly made out like a bandit, and I for one, like many many others, am very irritated (and jealous) about it.
Ultimately though, Marc achieved very little that is concrete. It’s very debatable whether JBoss’ success had much to do with him. Certainly, it did succeed, and a lot of people got conned out of a lot of money to make it happen, but such is the way of the world. The credit due it is more a matter of timing and of being the only OSS player in the field at the time, not that it’s a great product or was particularly suited for any given task. Witness the abysmal failure that is Geronimo, a product that is arguably better developed, yet the world at large doesn’t give a flying fuck about LGPL vs Apache licensing. Thus Geronimo remains a laughing stock and a head-scratching cautionary tale of OSS gone insane (not to mention that it’s owned by IBM, and has developers that are about as capable of developing a product as Sun is of marketing one).
What Fleury contributed to the world of Java is a personality; love him or hate him, the man certainly deserved to be hated. His incoherent ramblings, the perplexing capitalization, the weak and tenuous grasp of the English language gave us all a lot of ammo, and made for some very entertaining drama.
The fact that he’s also a shady, dodgy, and thoroughly despicable scam artist also helped tremendously. Who can forget the great astroturfing story? It’s nice to see a company bigwig who will get his hands dirty, and openly misbehave in ways that one only expects particularly handicapped children to.
So sure, it is one less personality in Java land, but it’s one we’re all better off without. A testament to how bullshit and angry penis waggling can get you all the material success you want; it’s a depressing lesson for any hopefuls to learn, and shows that even in this most technical of fields, a good con is just as easy to execute as anywhere else.
I wish him failure in his next endeavour, whatever that may be. Here’s hoping that the cosmic balance is finally restored and the justice is served by Bad Things happening to him.
My one wish though is that he’d stop blogging. His blog is so painful to read that I have yet to complete a whole entry. It basically consists of him ranting in his usual incoherent style about whatever happens to have crawled up his ass and died that day. Now, I of all people am quite appreciative of aimless degenerate ranting, but for the love of god, have a care for the poor English language! I don’t know how much of a second language English is to that man (though judging by his style, it might be more like a distant third), but can someone please explain to him that randomly capitalising sentence fragments is not a literary tool? It’s like trying to read with someone punching you every few seconds; you eventually decide you’re better off chewing your arm off than letting some random schmuck repeatedly hit you for no apparent reason.
Even funnier though is the army of JBoss sycophants who comment. You have Andy Oliver still struggling for relevance; nobody has told the poor bastard that he’s as much of a nobody as anyone can be, and that it’s not 2004 anymore. Random other JBoss halfwits chime in with their inane tuppence, presumably in the hope of garnering an acknowledgment from their divine leader, perhaps in the form of an incoherent collection of words and punctuation directed in their general direction.
Perhaps the most astonishing thing about the thread discussing this on TSS however is Bill Berk claiming he has 15 friends. How on earth did that happen? It’s probably him astroturfing again, the reality is more likely to be that he knows 15 people who smiled politely at him as he frothed and mumbled his way through a sentence, as they tried to pointedly ignore his nipple tweaking in an attempt to gain their attention and approval via a well aimed squirt of moobjuice.
February 12th, 2007 at 5:47 pm
first?
February 12th, 2007 at 6:28 pm
I’ve only seen 5 minutes of Marc speaking; does he always sound like Sly Stallone, or was that just his act that day?
February 12th, 2007 at 6:41 pm
While Marc made something for himself, Hani you’re doing a very good job at making the Bile Blog … well Bile. At least you’re well written; otherwise I don’t think I would have read the 5% of this entry that I did read. Maybe you should try your hand at voodoo?
While we’re talking about the subject of Marc’s success, I hate it! Why can’t I be the man driving 100mph with some hot looking slut next to me?
Best Regards,
Richard L. Burton III
February 12th, 2007 at 8:02 pm
Subject matter aside, I think it kind of funny that the BileBlog of all things would go around casting aspersions on the language of one’s blog. Or is “turdburglar” getting an entry in the OED after all?
February 12th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Is Marc’s tenuous English somewhat similar to your “tenious” word usage? ;-)
People who criticize non-native speakers really should remember to spell check.
February 13th, 2007 at 2:30 am
well, I can not comment on Marc himself, but critizising hime because he wasn’t 100% correct in his usage of the English language is just plain stupid.of to use your works, should I say “fucking stupid”. he probably speaks way better English than you speak French. so he speaks at least two languages. how many do you speak ?
it is very hard to learn a foreing language (English included) and you can not expect a foreigner to be perfect.
the very fact that he learned another language
gives him a lot of credit.
February 13th, 2007 at 3:25 am
Hey, good for him. The background for this bile post should be green for envy. The sensitive people are offended, while most people will recognize this entry for its jealous rage.
I can sympatize being an American in Germany.
February 13th, 2007 at 5:49 am
> Is Marc’s tenuous English somewhat similar to your “tenious” word usage? ;-)
The latest bile has the word “tenuous” spelled right.. Did he stealth-edit it, or were you just being confused? :)
Marc’s problem with the English language probably stems from him being French and all.
You know they generally can’t - and don’t even want to learn or use English..
My native language is Finnish, and of all the languages I’ve learned, English is by far the easiest.
Of course it helps that our nation is sensible enough not to dub movies and TV-shows spoken in English, unlike France and Germany do.
But if you’re smart enough to be interested in interacting with the rest of the world, you can be expected to possess an above average grasp of the English language.
February 13th, 2007 at 5:57 am
He’s French, they’re all like that. Don’t ever have anything to do with anything French … we all know that. Shame those sad people in JBoss land didnt
Ps. The clown is backkkkkk
February 13th, 2007 at 7:24 am
Hani speaks Arabic, and I suspect that Hani’s French is better than Marc’s Arabic, non?
February 13th, 2007 at 9:14 am
it’s not the point who speaks what languages.
I speack German, English and Spanish. I would never critizise a foreigner for not speaking perfect German. I always admire people who learn another language.
an by the way: I know many French people who speak
English very well. it is not true that all French people do not want to or are unable to speak English.
judging people by their nationality doesn’t make sense. if someone is stupid, then he is stupid because he is stupid, not because he is French, German, British or whatever.
the same for someone being smart, nice etc.
February 13th, 2007 at 9:27 am
What de Fuck! You’re all just jelause that I made MILLIONS by wearing silly suits at tech gatherings, WATCH AND LEARNT!
February 13th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
(Warning: This comment is a personal opinion… not anything useful…)
Hey Everyone,
Couple of things… First, Marc is a genius! He’s my model for how to build a successful empire based on my personal weight loss story. Everytime I go for a run, as the pain builds up, I think of how stupid he looked in that Joker costume at TSSS. Makes me laugh so hard, all my pain drops away and then I can get back to the serious stuff, like the program I am writing to scrape my blog and convert the content into both a book and a screen play. I love this era - when else have any of us been able to live so shamelessly in the spotlight? We’ll have to change the saying about ‘wearing your heart on your sleeve’ to ‘wearing your heart on your blog’ - I love the web.
Secondly, I am working on a new annotation-based framework for validations - it isn’t anything like Hibernate Annotations so no wise cracks about how unoriginal this idea is - reinvention and me-too’ism is what the Web 2.0 dot’conomy is all about suckas!
Remember folks, Shizzle my Nizzle,
Rick
February 13th, 2007 at 2:12 pm
I think you are aging too quickly….sleep with your eyes open. And what the hell is this stupid addition all about? Some ashole out of the bluemoon invented addition…I know it’s very frustrating
February 13th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
This is pathetic. If you free software types don’t really care about money then why the obvious jealousy? Marketing success was never about technical excellence. Go back into your hole or grow up.
February 13th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
“…whatever happens to have crawled up his ass and died that day”. Your all class Hani. I look forward to your next bile.
February 14th, 2007 at 12:32 am
Fleury is french? He must be the richest frenchman on the planet. He’s lucky that he left that 3rd world shithole, where the cowardly frogs can’t even handle a couple muslim teenagers.
February 14th, 2007 at 4:20 am
Americans are told Arabs are the enemy, and Arabs are told Americans are the enemy. They are both wrong.. it’s the French.
Hani’s back to his best with personal insults.. as long as he stays the hell away from trying to do benchmarks and wearing egg on his face.
February 15th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
I’m not a slut!
February 16th, 2007 at 1:25 am
Natalie, you are not a slut. Also, your husband is not sucking much dick. I did the research to prove it: http://www.jroller.com/page/fx?entry=the_truth_about_jdj_jboss
No worries!
February 16th, 2007 at 6:05 am
Dr Phil,
your research shows that her husband is not *getting his dick sucked* (as in his requests for a blow job on their mailing lists and TSS). It doesnt mean he isnt sucking them himself.
February 17th, 2007 at 5:35 am
I am undecided on the issue of Fleury - champ or chump? But I think the Bile is being little unfair… The man wrote the first version of JBoss didn’t he? So he can clearly code. I think much criticism on him stems from cultural differences - as a Frenchman, he _just_ _talks_ _too_ _much_ _about_ sex. I don’t care if sexual revolution happened in US, people still don’t talk about this shit too openly. I clearly remember the observation that said talking about money is taboo in France, but not sex and it’s exactly the reverse in US. So an astroturf incident will put you in the “shit” column very quickly in this culture. Americans are friendly, warm people but with a moralistic streak. If somebody does something considered morally wrong, the normal sympathy and empathy is immediately and utterly withdrawn and exchanged with heart-felt condemnation. More on that here
http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/us-d.html
Well, anycase; That being said, I hate everything the French stand for, the pleasure-mania, their subsidized aristochracy hidden under the veil of “equality”, their women, their food, bureucracy laden country, and last but not the least, their busted-ass political theories that probably caused some parts of the world real mayhem over the years. But, I still refuse to put down one individual and his accomplishment and/or his skills. He is okay in my book.
Mo’ lizzie for the nizzie
March 6th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
You bastards are just jealous that we have the best contry and that our language is bien plus beau que le votre.
March 14th, 2007 at 2:30 am
Hani,
Could you innovate a little more on your cursing, perhaps take a cue from sailors and nuns.