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	<title>Comments on: What makes for a good JavaOne submission</title>
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		<title>By: Guilherme Silveira</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/01/what-makes-for-a-good-javaone-submission/comment-page-1/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Guilherme Silveira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote: I want to hear about project failures, poor architectural decisions, the worst 10 features of common application servers,]

As from the other posts, you should have been there the last few years :)

The subject would be something else, but the content  could be what you were looking for...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote: I want to hear about project failures, poor architectural decisions, the worst 10 features of common application servers,]</p>
<p>As from the other posts, you should have been there the last few years :)</p>
<p>The subject would be something else, but the content  could be what you were looking for&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hussein Badakhchani</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/01/what-makes-for-a-good-javaone-submission/comment-page-1/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Hussein Badakhchani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to hear about project failures, poor architectural decisions, the worst 10 features of common application servers, lack of due diligence and governance rounded off with endless case studies of commons logging class loading cock ups in clustered environments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to hear about project failures, poor architectural decisions, the worst 10 features of common application servers, lack of due diligence and governance rounded off with endless case studies of commons logging class loading cock ups in clustered environments.</p>
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		<title>By: William Louth</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/01/what-makes-for-a-good-javaone-submission/comment-page-1/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>William Louth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is actually my point!!!!! 

Developers do need to understand the language of operations (IT management) but putting up a few slides mentioning just this is going to send most developers to sleep. The only way to keep them awake is to show how this all fits together and what kind of activities they need to perform to make life easier for themselves.

Thanks for proving my point. 

William</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is actually my point!!!!! </p>
<p>Developers do need to understand the language of operations (IT management) but putting up a few slides mentioning just this is going to send most developers to sleep. The only way to keep them awake is to show how this all fits together and what kind of activities they need to perform to make life easier for themselves.</p>
<p>Thanks for proving my point. </p>
<p>William</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Ass</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/01/what-makes-for-a-good-javaone-submission/comment-page-1/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Ass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that last comment probably sounds a lot like the intro blurbs on the proposals you reject, right?  Come on, it's true. 

"It is extremely hard to talk about change, incident and problem management "

. . . next</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that last comment probably sounds a lot like the intro blurbs on the proposals you reject, right?  Come on, it&#8217;s true. </p>
<p>&#8220;It is extremely hard to talk about change, incident and problem management &#8221;</p>
<p>. . . next</p>
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		<title>By: William Louth</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/01/what-makes-for-a-good-javaone-submission/comment-page-1/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>William Louth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hani,

&gt;&gt; "Do you really think that JavaOne attendees love to hear about how you solved problem X using your own technology, that nobody can actually use without dropping trow, bending over, and paying for the privilege of being molestered?"

Ouch!!! Would you not agree that some products actually do a pretty good job at explaining some of the concepts in (possibly tiresome) specifications and standards - ITIL. 

It is extremely hard to talk about change, incident and problem management without some clues to what this actually means in practice. The same can be said for performance management where we can have many different types of levels of management ( monitoring, profiling, tracing) with difference focuses and approaches from vendors. Transaction analysis well that is even harder to explain without some real world application examples and a tool that visualizes the important data. I think it is always good to have some kind of q demo during a technical session but with less of the sales jargon - "our patented bytecode dynamic instrumentation thingy...."

Some of us do have pride it the way we have tried to tackle software engineering problems. You should always look at who is giving the presentation. If it is the sales director then you know what type of session it is.

Kind regards,

William</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hani,</p>
<p>>> &#8220;Do you really think that JavaOne attendees love to hear about how you solved problem X using your own technology, that nobody can actually use without dropping trow, bending over, and paying for the privilege of being molestered?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ouch!!! Would you not agree that some products actually do a pretty good job at explaining some of the concepts in (possibly tiresome) specifications and standards - ITIL. </p>
<p>It is extremely hard to talk about change, incident and problem management without some clues to what this actually means in practice. The same can be said for performance management where we can have many different types of levels of management ( monitoring, profiling, tracing) with difference focuses and approaches from vendors. Transaction analysis well that is even harder to explain without some real world application examples and a tool that visualizes the important data. I think it is always good to have some kind of q demo during a technical session but with less of the sales jargon - &#8220;our patented bytecode dynamic instrumentation thingy&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some of us do have pride it the way we have tried to tackle software engineering problems. You should always look at who is giving the presentation. If it is the sales director then you know what type of session it is.</p>
<p>Kind regards,</p>
<p>William</p>
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		<title>By: m@t</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/01/what-makes-for-a-good-javaone-submission/comment-page-1/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>m@t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anytime I read about the demise of an open source company, I wonder about the long term viability of what we do.  OpenSource is great, but if a viable business can't be established, then what's the point?  

We all know about your homo-erotic fascination with Matt Raible's Penis, and it's obvious that you are just over compensating to try to hide it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anytime I read about the demise of an open source company, I wonder about the long term viability of what we do.  OpenSource is great, but if a viable business can&#8217;t be established, then what&#8217;s the point?  </p>
<p>We all know about your homo-erotic fascination with Matt Raible&#8217;s Penis, and it&#8217;s obvious that you are just over compensating to try to hide it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Kuhnert</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/01/what-makes-for-a-good-javaone-submission/comment-page-1/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Kuhnert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 02:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you asked...The perfect recipe for a talk (for me personally) would be hearing:

-) Things I didn't know already
-) Interesting/good things I didn't know already
-) Things I can apply to whatever I'm doing development wise today

Yeah. Stuff like that. And anything with bunnies being pulled out of hats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you asked&#8230;The perfect recipe for a talk (for me personally) would be hearing:</p>
<p>-) Things I didn&#8217;t know already<br />
-) Interesting/good things I didn&#8217;t know already<br />
-) Things I can apply to whatever I&#8217;m doing development wise today</p>
<p>Yeah. Stuff like that. And anything with bunnies being pulled out of hats.</p>
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		<title>By: Luci Sandor</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/01/what-makes-for-a-good-javaone-submission/comment-page-1/#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>Luci Sandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have been watching "Will it blend?" :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have been watching &#8220;Will it blend?&#8221; :)</p>
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		<title>By: Mopo</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/01/what-makes-for-a-good-javaone-submission/comment-page-1/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>Mopo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 04:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on, Hani, 80% of usual JavaOne presentation comes from vendors and sponsors... ado you really want to exclude them?&lt;br/&gt;
Or, maybe, you're just selecting presentations for the remaining 20%?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on, Hani, 80% of usual JavaOne presentation comes from vendors and sponsors&#8230; ado you really want to exclude them?<br />
Or, maybe, you&#8217;re just selecting presentations for the remaining 20%?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/01/what-makes-for-a-good-javaone-submission/comment-page-1/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've not even bothered this year to submit to JavaOne, nor can I see myself bothering to attend.  Its turned into a turgid developer fest where the "coolest" gadget or yet another brand new framework is lauded up.

What I'd like to see is more presentations about genuine projects, what worked, what didn't and what was learnt.  I'd like to see more around the actual architecting of Java solutions not the "pick this library and you'll be 1337" crap that it has been for the last 3 years.

The problem is that as with Java SE 6 there has been a clear decision that the most important thing is to make the fan-boy crowd happy and the billion dollar enterprise market can go hang.

Too many of the presentations, and the BoFs are now just presentations anyway, are just slide packs that you'd be better of reading from the website.

So for you Hani... throw out EVERY Webframe work submission, every OSS project with 2 committers and have 1 presentation on EJB 3, 1 presentation on Java EE 5 and a application server death match competition with real knives.

Java EE in paticular should be about enterprise projects, and not about the latest libraries in Java EE 5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve not even bothered this year to submit to JavaOne, nor can I see myself bothering to attend.  Its turned into a turgid developer fest where the &#8220;coolest&#8221; gadget or yet another brand new framework is lauded up.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;d like to see is more presentations about genuine projects, what worked, what didn&#8217;t and what was learnt.  I&#8217;d like to see more around the actual architecting of Java solutions not the &#8220;pick this library and you&#8217;ll be 1337&#8243; crap that it has been for the last 3 years.</p>
<p>The problem is that as with Java SE 6 there has been a clear decision that the most important thing is to make the fan-boy crowd happy and the billion dollar enterprise market can go hang.</p>
<p>Too many of the presentations, and the BoFs are now just presentations anyway, are just slide packs that you&#8217;d be better of reading from the website.</p>
<p>So for you Hani&#8230; throw out EVERY Webframe work submission, every OSS project with 2 committers and have 1 presentation on EJB 3, 1 presentation on Java EE 5 and a application server death match competition with real knives.</p>
<p>Java EE in paticular should be about enterprise projects, and not about the latest libraries in Java EE 5.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Hookom</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/01/what-makes-for-a-good-javaone-submission/comment-page-1/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Hookom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JavaOne 2007 - "In case you missed last year!"

I'm beginning to wonder if there's going to be anything exciting this year, or if it's going to be a series of repeat sessions from last year? JEE 5 was exciting, but many of the new innovations and JSRs are intelligently waiting on baited breath for what's coming in JSE 7-- closures and properties? Innovations like that can dramatically change the way APIs are presented, the same thing happened with JSE 5 and annotations. Unfortunately some of our favorite specs (*cough* JSF *cough*) never jumped on the annotation bandwagon with a pure maintenance release for JEE 5. I'd like to see some ramp up in the JCP before JavaOne-- maybe have JSE 7 'finalize' its feature set so the stagnant JCP can pick up in activity again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JavaOne 2007 - &#8220;In case you missed last year!&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m beginning to wonder if there&#8217;s going to be anything exciting this year, or if it&#8217;s going to be a series of repeat sessions from last year? JEE 5 was exciting, but many of the new innovations and JSRs are intelligently waiting on baited breath for what&#8217;s coming in JSE 7&#8211; closures and properties? Innovations like that can dramatically change the way APIs are presented, the same thing happened with JSE 5 and annotations. Unfortunately some of our favorite specs (*cough* JSF *cough*) never jumped on the annotation bandwagon with a pure maintenance release for JEE 5. I&#8217;d like to see some ramp up in the JCP before JavaOne&#8211; maybe have JSE 7 &#8216;finalize&#8217; its feature set so the stagnant JCP can pick up in activity again.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Lewis Ship</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/01/what-makes-for-a-good-javaone-submission/comment-page-1/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Lewis Ship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hani,

How is that in the entire Java world, including people working on open source project's I've started, you're the only one who can get my name spelled right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hani,</p>
<p>How is that in the entire Java world, including people working on open source project&#8217;s I&#8217;ve started, you&#8217;re the only one who can get my name spelled right?</p>
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		<title>By: Some guy</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2007/01/what-makes-for-a-good-javaone-submission/comment-page-1/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>Some guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you are the screener, does this mean that this year's JavaOne will not be a JSF love fest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you are the screener, does this mean that this year&#8217;s JavaOne will not be a JSF love fest?</p>
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