Comments on: GPL Java: who cares?

By: bombas

bombas — Mon, 04 Dec 2006 07:02:40 +0000

Funny.
Th man paints M$ as a sucessfull pile of software (jsf== winforms wannabe? HA!) and even microsoft is dumping the SO (pile of shit, tho FUBAR crowds of pont’n drool), the Enterprisey solutins (never been a real player) to sell us DRMed media…

Your points on GPL’ed java have some merits. But not too much.

By: Dick Stallman

Dick Stallman — Thu, 23 Nov 2006 02:05:17 +0000

Hani, we are working with Sun to change the license once again. We are very disappointed with the Classpath exception and with the alternative license that Sun will be offering.

In addition, we are petitioning for FSF political officers to be assigned positions of freedom inspectors within Sun.

A communal Java is the only way for Java to survive. We demand the freedom of all Java code to be GPL. We would be happy to send one of our FSF political officers to educate you on freedom.

Dick

By: Infernoz

Infernoz — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:52:51 +0000

I have looked through the source code of Java 1.5 and 1.6 and am shocked to see how sloppy some of the code is e.g. not enough use of interfaces to allow fixing bad design in java.text.* and all string building/handling, massive over use of synchronized classes in private code etc. Anything which can helps reveal this crud to shame the developers, to improve the base libraries, should be encouraged.

By: Queen Fahd

Queen Fahd — Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:13:42 +0000

trying html syntax, which is On

By: Anonymous Cowherd

Anonymous Cowherd — Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:20:08 +0000

The good news is that people who have to write Java for strange hardware (set-top boxes, et. al.) that need more functionality than the turd-filled sandbox that is J2ME now have a chance to get a real JDK up and running on their crappy little platform.

The bad news? The TCKs aren’t available to test the results. Arrgh. Might as well use GNU Classpath and one of those grotty embedded J2SEs, eh?

By: Trejkaz

Trejkaz — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 07:32:21 +0000

Maybe Debian will finally put it in apt.

By: Joe

Joe — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 01:46:47 +0000

How is it that Java will suddenly be on Linux desktops ? You have *always* been able to download it. Anyone who wanted it could have had it. Its only those with the IQ below 10 that couldnt have managed it, and they weren’t missed anyways.

SUN could have changed licensing of so many other things more worthwhile. It is currently impossible to validate that some product claiming compliance with a JCP spec actuals complies since you cant get your hands on the dman TCK. People wanting to develop a product to a spec have to sign in blood some 40 page doc and fax it to SUN just to eventually get their hands on it. Why, oh why couldnt they GPL those ?

By: Uncle Wiggly

Uncle Wiggly — Fri, 17 Nov 2006 23:38:05 +0000

How will you lintheads prevent Microsoft from releasing their own non-standard version of Java now ?

‘Java for Windows’ TM.

By: Dangleberry

Dangleberry — Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:55:19 +0000

> Only IBM and Intel know how to build the
> fastest JVM for those new multicore chips

What? Sun don’t know how to write software for multi core? And IBM do? Have you ever used IBM software? I Bum Mummy haven’t writted a piece of usable software since 1966. The only reason IBM exist is because their consultants know where the CTOs children go to school. Notes on OS/2 anyone? Speedy!

By: Sun-fanboy

Sun-fanboy — Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:08:09 +0000

Pretending that Harmony will be irrelevant is plain wrong. Multicore chips are the future of microprocessing. Harmony say IBM (PowerPC/Cell) and Intel will win the JVM-race handsdown. Only IBM and Intel know how to build the fastest JVM for those new multicore chips for x86/Itanium/Cell. And the fastest JVM will always be the winner.

By: Coward

Coward — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:17:30 +0000

As I scroll thru the pages of the
Apache project
I look at the code and realize there
is a bug left
Cause I’ve been searching for something to
bile about, and now everyone knows that my mind
is long gone

Hani never crossed the man that didnt deserve it
he will treat them like a punks, although its unheard of
You better watch how you wrote it, and where you post it
or you and your homies might be biled about

I really hate deploy but i gotta (J)Boss
As Logs grow I see myself in the vendor smoke, Boss
I’m the kinda G the little homies wanna be like
at my keyborad in the night, sharing thoughts in
the web-light

Been spending most their lives
living in the geek paradise
we keep spending most our lives
jeduc dobar ozrenski paradajz

Been spending most their lives
living in the slashdot paradise
we keep spending most our lines
writing javadoc prototypes

Tell me why are we-so blind to see
the bug that hurts-as you as me

i got the situation, smelly code me facin’
I can’t write a normal code, I was raised without Container
so I gotta go down to the team level
too much struts debugging got me changing beers
I learned from Rod with Spring on my mind
got it lightweight in the head and a bean in my eye
I’m a AOP gangsta, BeanNameAware banger
and my homies is down so don’t abuse my layer, fool
struts ain’t nothing but a heartbeat away,
I’m writing code, do or die, what can I say
I’m 23 now, but will I get laid before 24
the way things are going I don’t know

Hani and the money, money and the Hani
minute after minute, hour after hour
debugger’s running, but i ain’t looking
cause our hot secretary is in the kitchen,
but I don’t know what she’s cooking
they say I gotta learn struts, but nobody’s here to teach me
if they can’t undersstand it, how can they reach me
I guess they can’t, I guess they won’t
I guess they front, that’s why I know my life
is out of Spring tool

to be continued
comments to javavirtualmachine@gmail.com

By: Dalibor Topic

Dalibor Topic — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:14:12 +0000

Neat ;)

By: SnotRag

SnotRag — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:33:05 +0000

Wrong brown cock. C# had an advantage over Java in that it would always work fine on the platform it was deployed without additional installation by the user. As mentioned by others above, Linux/BSD distros will be able to ship Java. It probably holds true for Windows hardware vendors too (Dell, … etc)*. People will be able to write Java apps and be confident that they’ll work on Linux/BSD as well as Windows desktops without the user having to separately download Java. So Java becomes a more attractive development environment than it was. Also, there is no danger to Java going down if Sun ever does.

That cactus up your ass called “open-sores” pricked you with this announcement. Too bad you enjoy that cactus being there and would rather not pull it out.

*I know some Windows desktop vendors probably did pre-install the JVM, but they would have had to come to an agreement with Sun to do so.

By: Shai Almog

Shai Almog — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:58:59 +0000

I’m far from being an Open Source fanboy and was generally against the whole open sourcing of Java issue ;-)
However, I have to disagree with you to a small degree. Yes, you are right we won’t see significant performance improvements in Java beyond what we would have seen normally. Most Java developers won’t feel much at first but in the long term this can create a revolution!
It would allow Java into places where it hasn’t been before e.g. Linux desktops and despite the fact that Linux desktop is still behind (even) Apple they do produce lots of cool software. But the more important reason is better recognition of the VM, I think this will (in the long run) kill PHP, Python and Ruby VM’s by making sure they all run better on top of the Java VM. Why should these guys work on their own VM’s when Sun’s VM is faster, safer has a wider API, better testing, portability and is installed almost everywhere?
By doing this Java’s “shelf life” as a language and a platform is extended by some additional years and it becomes a far more attractive offering when compared to .Net in terms of ideology. Sun essentially eliminated all the “small players” in the field and left only .Net and to some degree Flash as possible competitors. All others (e.g. Ruby and PHP) can be executed on top of Java.

By: Lucian Sandor

Lucian Sandor — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:04:17 +0000

Well, Sun and Microsoft got an agreement which manifests itself by a Remote Desktop client on the thin clients Sun builds and by a friendlier prompt when one needs Java on Internet Explorer. At the height of their tensions, you would get a prompt to install JRE wth a checkbox which, if you tick, will disable for good the installation of the JRE. These days, That checkbox is gone, and the anti-MS mantra kind of disappeared.
But it’s not like Sun is only “at MS and Slashdot cocks”, but if you install the JRE, you get the wonderful Google Desktop Search, a pile of junk which shows that Sun can do foursome.

By: joe

joe — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:33:40 +0000

It’s a stupid move. Just idiotic. But at least we have the CLASSPATH exception. That will be at least something to use to tweak RMS and his dingleberry pickers.

I’m a big Sun fanboy and I’ve been arguing for years that they get no respect. But with this announcement I really wish IBM had bought them outright. GPL!! It’s a disaster.

By: Sony Mathew

Sony Mathew — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:14:16 +0000

I guess its just the principle of it all – gives a warm fuzzy feeling inside – like the difference between a real Democracy and a noble Dictator.

p.s. its ‘sped up’ NOT ‘speeded up’.
Sorry, but I get corrected so many times. You need to bile those pompous self appointed language police.

By: waggledaggle

waggledaggle — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:13:54 +0000

Thank God the Bile flowing again. If it took GPL’ing Java to stimulate Hani’s gallbladder then so be it.

By: Chaos Intestinal

Chaos Intestinal — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:01:35 +0000

“For example, I know a lot of people who didn’t bother with java because you couldn’t apt-get it.”

Do you consider a whole bunch of GPL-integrist tards as an improvement to the Java community ? Besides, having access to the source doesn’t mean you need to get into that pile-o-shit licensing scheme.

I can’t wait to see the amusing zillions of useless and pointless Java forks with stupid names (GPL-integrist tards are world class stupid name inventors), since you know, there are quite an impressive amount of sheer dumbasses who need more that just Iceweasel-like crap to masturbate onto.

By: Tom Hawtin

Tom Hawtin — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:33:31 +0000

I’m off to make a GPL-only (no exceptions – no-one else should benefit from my work) fork with security patches that Sun take so long to come up with. ;)