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		<title>By: Arseny</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-9159</link>
		<dc:creator>Arseny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn it. I am 5 years late and it STILL sucks.</description>
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		<title>By: Fazzel</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-8621</link>
		<dc:creator>Fazzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn it. I am 2 years late and all this shit Sucks.</description>
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		<title>By: Apache CXF and Glassfish Metro for consuming web services &#171; KnobsLeversButtons</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-7800</link>
		<dc:creator>Apache CXF and Glassfish Metro for consuming web services &#171; KnobsLeversButtons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The JAX-WS choice does mean that Axis2 cannot be used. I don&#8217;t really mind since I&#8217;ve experienced some real pain there in previous projects. I&#8217;m not the only one. Hani sums it up nicely. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The JAX-WS choice does mean that Axis2 cannot be used. I don&#8217;t really mind since I&#8217;ve experienced some real pain there in previous projects. I&#8217;m not the only one. Hani sums it up nicely. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BossOfMyself</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-7731</link>
		<dc:creator>BossOfMyself</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Axis2 still remains low quality , even in its 1.3 release which took place several days ago. It&#039;s normal to write code that&#039;s obviously shitty (even though it&#039;s not so usual in the open source community) , but it&#039;s very bad to lack any kind of support for the project... how do you guys expect that big vendors will adopt your product? Response time on the mailing list is MUCH bigger (&gt; 50 % of the time there is no response at all) than that of JAX-WS / WSIT. 

And I haven&#039;t even mentioned the biggest nightmare - RAMPART (i.e. the security / security policy module). This is a total piece of crap in its every aspect ( code quality, design, support, interoperability with WCF / JAX-WS)...

The axis2 developers should have in mind that the company I work for is one of the biggest middleware vendors at the moment, and we have already decoded to swith to a better framework. Using Axis2 as the base for our web services module was a very bad mistake, and big waste of money. 

Yea, and I completely agree about the ridiculous spelling mistakes and the lack of any English skills (this can be seen everywhere in the code).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Axis2 still remains low quality , even in its 1.3 release which took place several days ago. It&#8217;s normal to write code that&#8217;s obviously shitty (even though it&#8217;s not so usual in the open source community) , but it&#8217;s very bad to lack any kind of support for the project&#8230; how do you guys expect that big vendors will adopt your product? Response time on the mailing list is MUCH bigger (&gt; 50 % of the time there is no response at all) than that of JAX-WS / WSIT. </p>
<p>And I haven&#8217;t even mentioned the biggest nightmare &#8211; RAMPART (i.e. the security / security policy module). This is a total piece of crap in its every aspect ( code quality, design, support, interoperability with WCF / JAX-WS)&#8230;</p>
<p>The axis2 developers should have in mind that the company I work for is one of the biggest middleware vendors at the moment, and we have already decoded to swith to a better framework. Using Axis2 as the base for our web services module was a very bad mistake, and big waste of money. </p>
<p>Yea, and I completely agree about the ridiculous spelling mistakes and the lack of any English skills (this can be seen everywhere in the code).</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Bekkering</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Bekkering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 12:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jesse , SOA in my language (dutch) means sexual disease, any disease as long as it is sexual. So you where pretty close with your assumption since gays suffer more from it, in general offcourse, not every gay. Very funny to see dutch adds for information sites regarding sexual diseases popup on TSS and other technical sites )) and who is that guy that sucks, i thought i was the most uptight obnoxious little fuckup on the net but now i am not anymore ((</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jesse , SOA in my language (dutch) means sexual disease, any disease as long as it is sexual. So you where pretty close with your assumption since gays suffer more from it, in general offcourse, not every gay. Very funny to see dutch adds for information sites regarding sexual diseases popup on TSS and other technical sites )) and who is that guy that sucks, i thought i was the most uptight obnoxious little fuckup on the net but now i am not anymore ((</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Ottinger</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-474</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Ottinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 14:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, here is my recommendation:

Read My articles on TSS

- J.O. u dun no me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, here is my recommendation:</p>
<p>Read My articles on TSS</p>
<p>- J.O. u dun no me</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Hightower</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-473</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Hightower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 12:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone recommend a good diet?  Maybe one that allows me to have a few cokes and bags of chips each day and still shed a few pounds?

Also, can anyone recommend a good source of prozac?

Thanks,
Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone recommend a good diet?  Maybe one that allows me to have a few cokes and bags of chips each day and still shed a few pounds?</p>
<p>Also, can anyone recommend a good source of prozac?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Rick</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Ottinger</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Ottinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 10:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lighten up kids! AXIS2 is just a get rich quick scam set up by the brownies. now, go read my columns on TSS.

J.O. u dun no me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lighten up kids! AXIS2 is just a get rich quick scam set up by the brownies. now, go read my columns on TSS.</p>
<p>J.O. u dun no me</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Hightower</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-471</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Hightower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 15:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like XFire. We agree on something.</description>
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		<title>By: Palani</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-470</link>
		<dc:creator>Palani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 13:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We were trying to use Axis (SAAJ) for a SOAP client.  Axis 1.3 had problems in receiving large attachments.  I tried to use Axis 2 and it also has the same problem. Not sure what improvement has been made in Axis 2.

But it is not at all intutive to create a client.  There is no clear example of how to create a SOAP message from a string which has everything in it.  It took more than 2 days to put together a client.  The documentation/articles claim that it is very simple but I do not believe. 

So finally we swtiched to Sun&#039;s SAAJ implementation and it could receive large attachments. 

And the other sad things are, they changed the examples and other packages between version .95 and 1.0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were trying to use Axis (SAAJ) for a SOAP client.  Axis 1.3 had problems in receiving large attachments.  I tried to use Axis 2 and it also has the same problem. Not sure what improvement has been made in Axis 2.</p>
<p>But it is not at all intutive to create a client.  There is no clear example of how to create a SOAP message from a string which has everything in it.  It took more than 2 days to put together a client.  The documentation/articles claim that it is very simple but I do not believe. </p>
<p>So finally we swtiched to Sun&#8217;s SAAJ implementation and it could receive large attachments. </p>
<p>And the other sad things are, they changed the examples and other packages between version .95 and 1.0.</p>
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		<title>By: Columbus</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-469</link>
		<dc:creator>Columbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 18:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair to South Asian developers though, there are only 2 (out of 23) committers who are Sri Lankan in the Axis2 Java project. Hani is barking up the wrong tree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair to South Asian developers though, there are only 2 (out of 23) committers who are Sri Lankan in the Axis2 Java project. Hani is barking up the wrong tree.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-468</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 15:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... And why, exactly , would the developer ever have to know about the existence of &#039;WSDL2JAVA&#039; or &#039;JAVA2WSDL&#039;, with their delightful semi-literate names ?  Why wouldn&#039;t a tool just run these things for him ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; And why, exactly , would the developer ever have to know about the existence of &#8216;WSDL2JAVA&#8217; or &#8216;JAVA2WSDL&#8217;, with their delightful semi-literate names ?  Why wouldn&#8217;t a tool just run these things for him ?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Brasky</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Brasky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 12:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried using Axis2 a while back and when I ran WSDL2JAVA on a simple schema, it generated like a HUNDRED classes just to do the XML-&gt;beans binding.  Even after that, I never did get it to actually work.  If you read the mailing lists, there&#039;s always tons of people complaining about WSDL2JAVA or JAVA2WSDL not working correctly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried using Axis2 a while back and when I ran WSDL2JAVA on a simple schema, it generated like a HUNDRED classes just to do the XML->beans binding.  Even after that, I never did get it to actually work.  If you read the mailing lists, there&#8217;s always tons of people complaining about WSDL2JAVA or JAVA2WSDL not working correctly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J.O.</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-466</link>
		<dc:creator>J.O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 09:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please read my posts on TSS on AXIS2
J.O u Dun No Me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read my posts on TSS on AXIS2<br />
J.O u Dun No Me</p>
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-465</link>
		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 07:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wtf is a SOA supposed to be anyways? Sounds pretty gay to me :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wtf is a SOA supposed to be anyways? Sounds pretty gay to me :)</p>
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		<title>By: Columbus</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-464</link>
		<dc:creator>Columbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 05:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hani you fool, Sri Lanka is in South Asia, not South East Asia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hani you fool, Sri Lanka is in South Asia, not South East Asia.</p>
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		<title>By: geir</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-463</link>
		<dc:creator>geir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 20:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HLS : 

&gt; Oh, all right, I&#039;ll add an 
&gt; @ExposeActionToWebServiceWienies annotation.

I think it&#039;s spelled &quot;weenie&quot;

geir</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HLS : </p>
<p>> Oh, all right, I&#8217;ll add an<br />
> @ExposeActionToWebServiceWienies annotation.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s spelled &#8220;weenie&#8221;</p>
<p>geir</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 17:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Anjan.  I have been aware of Wasp for a while and looked at it but that was over two years ago.  It was one of the two best IMO the other being GLUE.

Here&#039;s my beef : I don&#039;t want to hear the word &#039;stack&#039; anymore when I want to make a Web Service.  I don&#039;t want to have to know there is a &#039;stack&#039;.  C&#039;mon, it&#039;s been YEARS !

MS doesn&#039;t have a &#039;stack&#039;.  Nope, you just stay in your IDE and tell it to make this thing or that thing a Web Service.  And then you move on to testing it.  That&#039;s all.  No &#039;stack&#039;, just a single monolithic code-building software ... tool thing.  And you can debug in it, sort of.

Why can&#039;t Java guys reproduce this simple way to do it ?

Like I said, I can&#039;t, because I suck, and you  can&#039;t, because of your racial handicap, and HLS can&#039;t, because there&#039;s more work than talk involved.  But there must be some smart guys out there in Javaland.  

There are probably a few people I have not insulted yet, and to them I can only offer the assurance that it is nothing personal.  I hate you also, regardless of your race, creed, bad suit, or national origin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Anjan.  I have been aware of Wasp for a while and looked at it but that was over two years ago.  It was one of the two best IMO the other being GLUE.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my beef : I don&#8217;t want to hear the word &#8216;stack&#8217; anymore when I want to make a Web Service.  I don&#8217;t want to have to know there is a &#8216;stack&#8217;.  C&#8217;mon, it&#8217;s been YEARS !</p>
<p>MS doesn&#8217;t have a &#8216;stack&#8217;.  Nope, you just stay in your IDE and tell it to make this thing or that thing a Web Service.  And then you move on to testing it.  That&#8217;s all.  No &#8216;stack&#8217;, just a single monolithic code-building software &#8230; tool thing.  And you can debug in it, sort of.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t Java guys reproduce this simple way to do it ?</p>
<p>Like I said, I can&#8217;t, because I suck, and you  can&#8217;t, because of your racial handicap, and HLS can&#8217;t, because there&#8217;s more work than talk involved.  But there must be some smart guys out there in Javaland.  </p>
<p>There are probably a few people I have not insulted yet, and to them I can only offer the assurance that it is nothing personal.  I hate you also, regardless of your race, creed, bad suit, or national origin.</p>
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		<title>By: Carsten</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-461</link>
		<dc:creator>Carsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 16:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After being very disappointed by Axis 1 - because it is slow, barely documented, and very invasive - I had been looking forward to Axis 2...

In fact I am doing some complex stuff (ACORD) with WSs, but Axis made it even more complex - why not adding a superflous layer of complexity when someone might call it a standard.

I start to believe that the emperor&#039;s new clothes (aka WS) will never fulfill their promise - most things can be done more efficiently by REST and for true work WS will get ridiculously complicated so that proprietary services are easier to manage. For the more or less small band in between nobody needs such a bag of &quot;standards&quot; which everyone interprets as he wants.

BTW: The bits from the doc you picked and not only incomprehensible for native english speakers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After being very disappointed by Axis 1 &#8211; because it is slow, barely documented, and very invasive &#8211; I had been looking forward to Axis 2&#8230;</p>
<p>In fact I am doing some complex stuff (ACORD) with WSs, but Axis made it even more complex &#8211; why not adding a superflous layer of complexity when someone might call it a standard.</p>
<p>I start to believe that the emperor&#8217;s new clothes (aka WS) will never fulfill their promise &#8211; most things can be done more efficiently by REST and for true work WS will get ridiculously complicated so that proprietary services are easier to manage. For the more or less small band in between nobody needs such a bag of &#8220;standards&#8221; which everyone interprets as he wants.</p>
<p>BTW: The bits from the doc you picked and not only incomprehensible for native english speakers.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Lewis Ship</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2006/05/axis2-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-460</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Lewis Ship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 09:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm.  What does it mean when the only person who can spell my name right is making fun of me?  I wish this guy had mentioned HiveMind ... I&#039;d love to see that capital-M just once.

Oh, all right, I&#039;ll add an @ExposeActionToWebServiceWienies annotation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm.  What does it mean when the only person who can spell my name right is making fun of me?  I wish this guy had mentioned HiveMind &#8230; I&#8217;d love to see that capital-M just once.</p>
<p>Oh, all right, I&#8217;ll add an @ExposeActionToWebServiceWienies annotation.</p>
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