javaLobby vs Java
I am heartily sick and tired of javalobby’s endless crusade against all things Java. With friends like this, who needs enemies? It’s utterly revolting how those swine manage to go on and on and on against Java in so many different threads.
What’s astounding is that there’s actually an audience for that kind of fear mongering. All those people seem to secretly wish their jobs didn’t force them to use Java, and would allow them to wallow in .net filth instead.
Particularly bizarre is Rick Ross’ vendetta against Sun. Now, I don’t know who from Sun pissed in his coffee (and by the sound of it, has a rather oversized bladder and thus hasn’t stopped pissing for the last few years), but the guy has a very deranged and bizarre Sun fetish. He just can’t say enough mean things about that poor little company. Sun sucks, Sun doesn’t understand Java, Sun should
Don’t believe me? Let’s look over some threads on there shall we. We have a thread about how Sun has no faith in Java 5.0, as proven by the fact that the ‘latest’ download on java.com is 1.4.2. We have a discussion about how Java is going to die on the next version of Windows. Of course, it’s all not all anti java, we have some pro .net stuff too! To inject some variety, we also have the ‘come on guys, lets band together and promote interest in java’ type gibberish. It’s like there’s this horde of demented lobotomised children out there, who take what their fearless leader says a wee bit too seriously. Who can forget Rick Ross’ poignant offer to help NASA with their Mars ‘java stuff’ using nothing but the willpower and intellectual prowess of javalobby members? We laughed, we cried, but mostly we shuffled about feeling very uncomfortable and embarrassed. It’s a bit like when your senile uncle whips his willie at a wedding ceremony and brandishes it furiously at the groomsmen while tittering ‘I am a purple teapot, short and stout’. Funny for a split second, but very uncomfortable thereafter.
To its credit though, javalobby represents the masses perfectly. Endless stupid threads that somehow defy reason and all that is rational by generating comments that seem to outdo each other in terms of sheer ignorance.
The .net fetish is very disturbing, it has to be said. I avoid .net stuff like the plague (or SWT), so I have no idea how things look from that side of the fence. Do .net sites also go on and on about Java? It just seems like bad manners and a distinct lack of social grace. It’s not called randomlobbyforpartimejavamonkeyswhoalsodabbleindotnet, last I checked.
Here’s a plea to the evil minds behind javalobby, can you please split up the RSS feeds you aggregate at javablogs? The product announcements are an enjoyable informative read that I’d like to keep seeing. The forum posts however make me want to launch into a fairly disturbing frenzy of self flagellation and stabbing of random innocents; a situation which can only end in tears from almost all parties involved.
Finally, something for all you Americans. Please, please, vote for notbush tomorrow, or don’t vote at all. I won’t join the mental masturbation that is so fashionable now and gloat about how evil one side or the other is. It’s easy for you all to have pithy cosy opinions about war, civil liberties, democracy, peace, freedom, and all that. You might not know anyone affected so it’s all fun, in some sick sense. Some of us however have relatives in Baghdad. Some of us are Arabs in the US. I’m sure it’s easy to condemn random brown people out there, to thump your chest about the greater good and whatnot. Is it as easy to look me in the eye and tell me it’s alright for my relatives to be killed? Relatives who love, cry, laugh, joke, and have children. A family that deserves to be bombed, invaded, ‘liberated’, and attacked about as much as you think your own family does.
November 1st, 2004 at 10:09 pm
There is a product announcements-only rss feed, I use it to avoid all the rubbish:
http://www.javalobby.org/forumRSS/17.xml
Maybe they hid it with the new layout they have.
November 1st, 2004 at 10:42 pm
i’m feeling rage, impotent rage.
November 1st, 2004 at 10:53 pm
Ask and ye shall receive.
Electoral vote projections show a Kerry win
http://www.slate.com/Default.aspx?id=2108751&
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Early voting exit polls:
- results in FL show Kerry leading Bush 56% to 39% among 5 million (?) early voters:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/10/29/84842.shtml
- According to Gallup’s mega-final-ultra poll out
Sunday evening, 30% of registered voters in Florida have already voted, either through early voting or by absentee. Of those who have already voted, Kerry leads President Bush 51% to 43%. According to the Des Moines Register poll out late Saturday evening, 27% of Iowa adults have already voted. And among those Kerry leads 52% to 41%.”
Cellphone poll: OVERWHELMINGLY Kerry
this is interesting because many younger voters do not have landline phones, which means polls are skewed if the younger people turn out this year:
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2004/Nov/1089264.htm
November 1st, 2004 at 11:01 pm
hey, you were at that wedding? me too! uncle oswald has a piece on him, eh?
November 2nd, 2004 at 12:47 am
I gotta say, at the time I found that whole go-on-Nasa-send-us-your-code-and-we’ll-sort-out-all-your-problems thing frickin embarrassing as well.
Never before have I wanted to hide my head and pretend to be a VB developer.
November 2nd, 2004 at 3:21 am
The .Net crowd have better things to do than go on and on about Java. By most measures, .Net is /technically/ superior – the debate is whether it’s /politically/ superior (ie is the JCP better than ECMA, is it better to have true WORA, is it a good idea to ever use anything from MS?)
That’s why I read the BileBlog – I need my filth fix.
November 2nd, 2004 at 3:27 am
So, .Net is technically superior? Because it has more language features? Gee, you need to get a grip.
November 2nd, 2004 at 5:24 am
No – I never talked about a language. I was talking about the virtual machine. It’s got a better implementation of a majority of features (case in point: generics).
[this is my last comment, I don't intend to participate in any war]
November 2nd, 2004 at 5:42 am
The .NET VM _IS_ far superior. This is made most clear by the fact that MS has thankfully chosen to not make it run on that inferior not-worthy-of-running-server-applications group of OSs called “Unix” and save us from the mayhem that would ensue if it did.
November 2nd, 2004 at 5:58 am
That last paragraph was very poignant, Hani.
November 2nd, 2004 at 6:52 am
Let’s keep it simple and at the level that typical Merkin voters will appreciate in their guts.
Merkins should vote for notBush because Bush has *vastly* increased the number of people that want to harm Merkins both at home and abroad. Hence President Chaney and Vice President Rumsfeld have made it much *more* likely that Merkins will be killed by terrorists.
November 2nd, 2004 at 7:42 am
I think I may have attained the level of being the “most biled” person with this latest one. Always a pleasure to be honored by Hani’s acrid pen.
November 2nd, 2004 at 8:32 am
I live in Canuckistan. I hope Bush wins so more American jobs are send abroad. Nothing personal. It’s strictly business.
November 2nd, 2004 at 9:49 am
Hey Rick,
Here is a tip for you. When someone bashes you constantly, it does not mean that you are being ‘honoured’. It means that you being shat on by that person. There is nothing ‘honourable’ about being constantly critisized for stupid mistakes one has committed.
November 2nd, 2004 at 10:24 am
Actually, from my reading of the heritical texts, I believe that Marc Fleury is the most biled person but I was unclear that it was a contest. Maybe the most biled person gets to sit on the right hand of Bile Himself?
On a more serious note, the last paragraph is well said. Living in a very large northern metropolis it was/is amazing to see people glare at anyone with any shade of brown skin. Most of us cannot relate to living in a country that is killing your family and friends. It is too hard to grasp for me to be sure.
November 2nd, 2004 at 10:39 am
Vote for the pro-smokestack candidate – Nerf Hoffelmeyer!
http://www.nerfhoffelmeyer.com/
November 2nd, 2004 at 10:41 am
Death to brown-skins!
November 2nd, 2004 at 12:33 pm
Stop the bushit!
November 2nd, 2004 at 2:55 pm
Bush, Chenny and Rummy have run this WAR like a bunch of retards. ALL of America knew and still know they’r retards — why the fuck did people vote for him ???? The answer is simple – the American masses are retarded as well.
The only thing Bush had right was removing Saddam I know I know … I’ve heard it all before. But they said the same shit about Usama until he killed 3000 innocent people. Saddam is a time bomb waiting to go nuclear on your asses/arses the first chance he gets.
That said Bush/Rummy really screwed up the WAR. They chose NOT to listen to anyone and made the same mistakes as Vietnam (referencing a PBS Frontline show on Rummmy). Rummy was the Secretary of Defence in the latter years of the Vietnam war and still !!! – this goes to show how stupid, retarded and stubborn these lying, god-mongering, self-deluding, cowardly assholes are.
November 2nd, 2004 at 3:04 pm
p.s. brown skin protects you from the Sun. You don’t need NO fuckin Sun-Screen. You don’t burn and peel your skin. Why the fuck wouldn’t anyone wanna be brown!!!! In heaven where I am originally from, all are Brown. The first gift on entering the pearly gates is u turn brown so that you can enjoy the god-damn Sun !!!
Regards byatches,
Jesus
November 2nd, 2004 at 5:11 pm
thank you , jesus. tell buddha i said hi.
November 3rd, 2004 at 2:23 am
I won! You’re under arrest! I’ll run the entire country on JBoss and ban IntelliJ, for a start!
G Jr.
November 3rd, 2004 at 2:25 am
http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/video/armstrong-murder2.wmv
November 3rd, 2004 at 2:55 am
I don’t always agree with Rick Ross, but he seems like a nice enough guy. BTW Isn’t JRoller hosted by JavaLobby (Rick Ross)?
BTW I use Java b/c I like it and I can make money at it. The day I can’t make money using it… is the day I use something else (Ruby, Python, C# are all good). Java is not a religion. It is a platform and programming language. I like Java. I use Java.
BTW JSF rocks!
November 3rd, 2004 at 3:41 am
“inferior not-worthy-of-running-server-applications group of OSs called “Unix” ”
— you are kidding arent you? you must be from america, going to vote for bush and mentally deranged….. there should be a licence for people like you so they are prevented from doing such things as voting/using a computer as its bloody dangerous… and a tattoo on your forehead saying “fuckwit, please ignore”
today is likely to be a sad day for america and the world… i am sad, very sad
November 3rd, 2004 at 8:13 am
How about a Hani/Rick Ross ticket in 2008? Sure some laws would have to change, but Arnold will make that happen.
Hani, I thought you of all people would manage to keep politics off your Java related entries and stay on topic.
November 3rd, 2004 at 8:30 am
In exit polling last night, fat balding jordanian pilots voted overwhelmingly for Kerry ..
November 3rd, 2004 at 8:49 am
Ha. Ha. Ha.
Up against the wall Hani, you little wretch.
November 3rd, 2004 at 9:23 am
Regarding:
“Hani, I thought you of all people would manage to keep politics off your Java related entries and stay on topic. ”
Since when were genitals on topic….
November 3rd, 2004 at 12:30 pm
“Is it as easy to look me in the eye and tell me it’s alright for my relatives to be killed?”
Are you saying no one was getting killed under Saddam? Last I checked, him and his sons were killing and torturing at a higher rate than today.
November 3rd, 2004 at 2:16 pm
“Opps we did it again”. Thats how i would comment on the election in the US. Boy, i am so sick of ~50,x% of the us-voters. Lets see what they will keep getting from the government:
1. a lovely war in IRAQ which was based on a mass disinformation of the us folks.
2. the worst us economy of all time
3. reduction of liberty rights
4. continued violations of the genfer conventions (see Guantanamo)
5. continued ignorance regarding Kioto protocol (even Russia joined lately)
So what are exactly the reasons to vote for this horror government? Is it enough to use church vocabular to get most of the people? To me, it seems that most of the us folks, simply forgot that they got tricked before the IRAQ war and most seem to forget that the taxes politics are for the richest. The only positive thing about all that is that you can only rule this country for two periods.
God bless the world. Which got unsafer right today.
November 3rd, 2004 at 2:32 pm
“the worst us economy of all time ”
Huh? Worst one in recent memory was 1976-1980… double digit inflation and double digit employment…. double whammy…
Oh yeah… then there is that whole great depression thing.
the bubble had to burst… it was not sustainable… the prez had about as much to do with that as lead has to do with making ballons fly.
November 3rd, 2004 at 5:12 pm
If I had a choice between a dictator and occupation by trigger happy 19 years olds and JDAM’s from 20,000 feet I’ll pick the dictator any day of the week.
The election result proves that americans are STUPID.
November 3rd, 2004 at 9:26 pm
Is Bush really so bad?
Sure he treats Americans like children, he treats the world like children, he lied to Americans to start a war, he ignored intelligence that may have stopped 9/11, he supports rich friends at the expense of average americans. Sure, he is responsible for more deaths of women, children and men in Iraq then the last 20 years of their own dictator…but…
What was my point? Oh…errr…
Don’t vote with your brain or your heart, vote Bush! Is he really so bad? Wouldn’t you be proud to live in a country that has a lieing, murderous war mongering president? With Bush you can be sure things will be more exciting then with Kerry…at least you will have something to talk about!
Hey, as long Bush has enough US soldiers to use as meat shields for his personal games, you have nothing to worry about.
November 4th, 2004 at 10:58 am
http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/video/armstrong-murder2.wmv
???? This is your point to support Bush?
This happens every day by trigger happy american GIs. Yes, it happens by bombs and advanced guns and not with such primitive means as in here. Still death is death.
Torture also is not beneath them, from what little we’ve seen from Adu Gaib (sp?) prison photos.
Not that back at home things are better:
http://www.justicedenied.org/executed.htm
November 4th, 2004 at 11:34 am
Hani, you should be happy now that at least Arsecroft is gone.
November 4th, 2004 at 12:16 pm
“Is it as easy to look me in the eye and tell me it’s alright for my relatives to be killed? Relatives who love, cry, laugh, joke, and have children.”
Let me try to make this clear for you… If you’re a raghead you deserve to die. If you’re a raghead your relatives deserve to die. If you’re a raghead your children deserve to die. Get it?
November 4th, 2004 at 1:59 pm
macho_dancer you are an IDIOT and a racist!
November 4th, 2004 at 2:58 pm
I think being pro Java implies being anti Sun, no?
So JavaLobby is pro Java.
They are anti Sun.
(Who else is ani JSF, anti EJB, anti JCP? YOU!)
.V
November 4th, 2004 at 3:44 pm
Vic,
I disagree Anti-JSF, Anti-EJB does not equal Anti-Java or Anti-Sun. Java means choice. You can choose to use Hibernate and Spring instead of EJB. You can choose to use Tapestry instead of JSF. With .Net there seems to be less choice. I could be wrong since I don’t really use .Net, but is seems that way.
–Rick Hightower
November 5th, 2004 at 10:17 am
Choice…
To take in the front or the rear…
November 5th, 2004 at 10:45 am
You are right Rick H of course.
But, since Sun promotes the (inferior) EJB/JSF stack, they are making Java look bad.
Hence, when Rick R critiszes Sun, its for good of Java. We can have Java w/ BEA JRockit, IBM VM (Eclipse VM), GCJ, etc.
So my point is proEJB and proJSF and proSun is anti Java and vice/versa.
Did you see the Sun Java Desktop articles? No Java in it.
I wish you would stop teaching JSF, it makes all of us (Java developers) look bad I think. (becuse JSF projectes tend not to make production and then the client flips to C#).
.V
November 5th, 2004 at 10:53 am
yes. I agree. Except… JSF rocks!
I actually like developing w/ JSF. I find it much better than developing with Struts (which I try to mostly avoid).
We do a lot of Tapestry as well (I have not done a lot, but my company has).
November 5th, 2004 at 3:56 pm
“Let me try to make this clear for you… If you’re a raghead you deserve to die. If you’re a raghead your relatives deserve to die. If you’re a raghead your children deserve to die. Get it?”
Great Bile!
November 5th, 2004 at 4:03 pm
“I’m sure it’s easy to condemn random brown people out there”
Just the ones that want to kill us if we don’t agree to bow towards Mecca daily.
November 5th, 2004 at 6:46 pm
Hani, the bile was quite humorous until you started with the political diatribe. Please stick to what you know and stay out of American politics!
November 5th, 2004 at 6:48 pm
Rick Hightower is truly a blowhard! JSF rocks indeed!
November 5th, 2004 at 11:07 pm
Thanks.
November 6th, 2004 at 1:02 am
Face it we all suck
November 7th, 2004 at 6:23 am
/me quietly starts building a fence around fate-quarters.
November 7th, 2004 at 10:19 pm
>>>> “I’m sure it’s easy to condemn random
>>>> brown people out there”
>> Just the ones that want to kill us if we don’t
>> agree to bow towards Mecca daily.
Err…. it’s actually 5 times a day.
November 8th, 2004 at 10:43 am
Anonymoose – I thought that one of the things you Merkins were quite keen on was freedom of expression. Or is it just that you’re full of shit?
Personally I think it’s GREAT that GWB is back in power, as it looks like he’s going to run the US economy into the ground through his pointless shoot-myself-in-the-foot warmongering and refusal to listen to anybody who knows the slightest thing about economics. If only the Merkins hadn’t limited presidents to two terms, then maybe the US government could utterly exhaust its resources in the style of “The Gush” – http://www.thejim.iofm.net/bjamep24.html
November 10th, 2004 at 5:35 pm
Half of the posts on the .NET forums are from immature Java programmers whining about how great Java is and how .NET sucks.
May 15th, 2005 at 9:18 am
Sir,
Great!
100% correct.
But JavaLobby posters are far better.
The majority do not share Rick Ross’s
opinions so far as I could see.
Good for Java community.
Thank you.
Keep going.