JBoss panties around ankles, again.
Does the fun ever stop with these guys? It turns out that theserverside.com forums now has an interesting new feature that many of you might not be aware of. If you click on a particular user, you will see all the other users that have logged in from the same IP.
Obviously, this method is not foolproof, and can be easily misinterpreted to mean that two people behind the same proxy are indeed one and the same.
Having said that though, it is with immense glee that I see that once and for all, the JBoss wankstains can be seen for the hypocritical, conniving, underhanded, petty and insecure little fuckwits that they are.
So, let’s pick a user at random! Say..ohhh I dunno…Marc Fleury. Who else does the slimy little fleury have hidden away in this too-large-for-one-person personality of his? Why, none other than our friend Arun Patel! Arun, for those of you unfamiliar with TSS, posts incredibly offensive polemics that happen to exactly mirror the unspoken thoughts of a certain JBoss cult. To be fair, many of the posts are too eloquent to be His Royal Garlicness, what with his penchant for multiple exclamation marks, rambling sentences, and all round freakish usage of full stops.
So, who else posts from that IP? Well, we have James Hardy. James’ posts are often of the ‘I’m sane but lets face it, JBoss rule’ variety, as opposed to another on that list of deranged psychopaths, Chip Tyler. Chippie here will eagerly pipe in in any number of threads to say how much CDN suck, as well as how every move JBoss makes is intelligent and wise. There are literally dozens of other accounts that show how widespread this behaviour is. The only thing they have in common is a surprising love and admiration for all things JBossy, and disdain and abuse for all things non-JBossy.
Needless to say, Ben Sabrin and the majority of the JBoss folks are all on the trail too. So while it’s impossible to actually draw lines between the fakes and their puppetmasters, it’s very very easy to spot the group of nefarious rumprangers who have embarked on this laughably incompetent marketing exercise. Having said that, some of the linkages are very clear and easy to follow to individuals who happen to not work in the same turdfactory as the fleurys do. Bill Burke has the highly dubious honour of also being Joe Murray, famous for making noises to the effect of ‘Mike Spille doesn’t exist!’. Let’s see you uuhmm and err your way out of this one Billy! Marc’ll have you back in that gimp suit pretty sharpish if you keep being this sloppy.
The saddest part about all this is that the most likely outcome is for these posters to now ensure they use a different IP when posting, to disguise the trail more effectively. I’m sure the very notion of ‘gosh, maybe we should let our software do the talking instead of using underhanded tactics like these’ is heretical in that camp.
So, the next time you see someone posting anything positive about JBoss, rest assured that it’s just another one of their employees desperate to justify their pathetic existence.
UPDATE: Removed Corby Page’s name since he is real. Sorry Corby, the ONE name I didn’t bother double checking turned out to be real, pah!
UPDATE 2
: More dups! You can actually find which employees work at the ‘office’ and which work remotely. Juha-P Lindfors is also Thomas Mattson (a VERY prolific JBoss wanker), C R, and Cam Teegar. Even that fat fuck Andy Oliver seems to join in on the fun (which makes his innocent ‘why must you all hate us!’ mewling all the more hilarious), either masquerading as or living in sin with Steve Lewis.
May 17th, 2004 at 5:45 pm
I want to nibble mr garlic’s carpet!
May 17th, 2004 at 5:53 pm
Great detective work – I applaud your bile pus emanations.
May 17th, 2004 at 6:06 pm
Hani, I know you don’t like to post in your own comments section, but you are really over the line here.
There are two accounts that are listed as the ‘same’ IP as me. Neither of them have any posts, and they are both quite real people who work at the same company that I do.
You need to retract my name, or explain what the hell you are thinking.
This is headed exactly where I thought it was going. Bullies are going to use misbehaviour by JBoss Group employees to dismiss the existence of anyone they don’t agree with.
I don’t even think that 20% of my recent posts on that forum have anything to do with JBoss, but that’s really not the point. I’m fed up with the blogger’s cliques that get to decide that they are the only real people.
May 17th, 2004 at 6:12 pm
Yup, Corby is real. See how easy it is to get confused these days?
May 17th, 2004 at 6:22 pm
I’m tired of kissin’ ass
I can’t sit still all day
You know I know your school’s a lie
That’s why you dragged me here
‘You’re a hyperactve child
You’re disruptive, you’re too wild
We’re going to calm you down
Now this won’t hurt a bit’
Drag me to the floor
Pullin’ down my pants
Ram a needle up my butt
Put my brain into a trance
‘No more hyperactive child
Got too much of a mind
Wouldn’t you rather be happy?
Now this won’t hurt a bit’
Cameras in the balls
No windows, just brick walls
Pledge allegiance to a flag
Now you will obey
May 17th, 2004 at 7:47 pm
for reference
Fleury : http://www.theserverside.com/user/userthreads.tss?user_id=306894
Burke : http://www.theserverside.com/user/userthreads.tss?user_id=142273
Andy oliver : http://www.theserverside.com/user/userthreads.tss?user_id=348656
bob bickel : http://www.theserverside.com/user/userthreads.tss?user_id=56489
Ben Sabrin : http://www.theserverside.com/user/userthreads.tss?user_id=234098
May 17th, 2004 at 10:20 pm
Gavin King
http://www.theserverside.com/user/userthreads.tss?user_id=356852
May 18th, 2004 at 1:32 am
I found update 2 to be interesting. The JRoller logs I checked for Hugo’s blog actually showed that a number of obnoxious anonymous comments on the JBoss entries were made by “Cam Teegar” (cross-referenced with TSS). I thought he was a real dude, but apparently not. Thanks for the insight!
May 18th, 2004 at 3:37 am
Nice to know that the fucking asshole T. Mattson is Juha Lindfuck.
May 18th, 2004 at 6:45 am
Duh, this stuff is endemic on TSS, everyone knows it by now. Not just the JBoss guys. Look at Robin Roos and Patrick Linskey (JDO expert group):
http://theserverside.com/user/userthreads.tss?user_id=151043
http://theserverside.com/user/userthreads.tss?user_id=174313
I’m sure you can discover plenty more!
May 18th, 2004 at 8:55 am
As for Robin Roos (I’ve met him and he seemed a straight-up guy), of the 21 people behind the same IP address, only 4 have actually participated in any threads in the time TSS have been logging.
These are Manoj Kocchar, Paul Rhoades, Henry Fu and Jonathan Gibbons. A brief look at some of their involvement shows that they haven’t been excessively puffing JDO as might be expected if it was Robin being a naughty boy.
I suggest more than a simple click-and-tell before you go around smearing people’s reputations – it’s clear from Mike Spille and Cameron Purdy that they have done some extensive behind-the-scenes investigation. I’m not sure that you have.
May 18th, 2004 at 10:13 am
Actually, it was Arun that was made famous by saying “Mike Spille doesn’t exist!”, not myself. You need to add another errata.
/Joe
May 18th, 2004 at 10:36 am
I don’t exist! I just happen to like the JBoss gateway! And I like that butch butch!
May 18th, 2004 at 12:24 pm
So, if someone dials up with some ISP and gets DHCP to give them an IP and they just happen to get given one that Fleury has once dialled in on, they get accused of saying Suck my …. errrmmmm unmentionables ?
May 18th, 2004 at 12:28 pm
Do ya’ll actually waste your time checking logs and crap after a post like this?
Hani, I agree in some ways that the JBoss crowd is gung ho about the product..but isn’t that a good thing? I sure as hell am gung ho about the stuff I work on. I promote it, talk about it, hell I have sex with it when I can!! What is wrong with that? JBoss does kick ass, but it also has problems..no doubt the team is aware. It is dog slow in CMP compared to other app servers, it’s a pain to set up compared to Orion (for that matter, all servers are a pain compared to Orion), but for the most part, how the hell can you complain…its free for God’s sake. Don’t like it? Then why blog about it all the time? Leave the topic alone. I would rather not use EJB and stuff myself, but if I had to choose, JBoss allows me to deploy for free so I don’t have to charge customers a license fee of some ridiculous amount, and it has pretty damn good support for the most part. So back off man. Unless you get paid to blog about it by other vendors maybe? Then I can see why you would continue…
May 18th, 2004 at 12:29 pm
So, if someone dials up with some ISP and gets DHCP to give them an IP and they just happen to get given one that Fleury has once dialled in on, they get accused of saying Suck my …. errrmmmm unmentionables ?
May 18th, 2004 at 1:39 pm
Hani, I agree in some ways that the JBoss crowd is gung ho about the product..but isn’t that a good thing?
“Gung ho about their product” is a good thing. Absolutely. No doubt. Even if it’s blind allegiance. No problem. Great! Kewl. Keep it up. Yeah!
Attacking individuals because they don’t agree with the official JBoss party line? That is not a good thing. It is sociopathic.
I would suggest that you have the blinders on if you can’t see the difference.
Peace.
May 18th, 2004 at 2:17 pm
So, if someone dials up with some ISP and gets DHCP to give them an IP and they just happen to get given one that Fleury has once dialled in on, they get accused of saying Suck my …. errrmmmm unmentionables
What are the chances that a person who is interested in java, reads theserverside.com and posts there happens to get the same IP as Fleury? How likely is it that more than one person will get that same IP? Not bloody likey!
May 18th, 2004 at 2:29 pm
Hani, I think you’ve missed your true audience, the true spirit of Bileblog. You’ve let them down. Please feel free to cross track IPs for Clown Puncher. Time for the ultimate expose of all–that which represents the true nature of the blogging community.
May 18th, 2004 at 2:29 pm
This is truly pathetic.
I thought I was bad for taking a few minutes every now and then to read the BileBlog
What kind of asslicker has the free time to make pseudonyms and post on forums and blogs. You all should be ashamed. That kind of behavior is pathological.
I knew they were all demented little fuckwits, but I didn’t think it was that serious. I guess it’s no different than Jason Hunter posting glowing reviews of his tome of shit on Amazon.com under false identities. Birds of a feather, I guess.
May 18th, 2004 at 2:40 pm
Dial up….what’s dial-up?
May 18th, 2004 at 2:54 pm
Be careful, those who jump to conclusions.
Notice that the people (Hani, Rickard, Mike, Cameron) have been careful to put 2 and 2 together.
You can’t use the feature to jump to conclusions.
For example, one comment hints that Gavin is a faker. There is NO proof on this (and I don’t think it is the case).
Remember, there are many reasons why names show up, and MOST of the time this is due to legit reasons… however there are many that are not legit, and they have been shown on these blogs.
May 18th, 2004 at 3:30 pm
Sorry to say, you’d be seriously disappointed to discover who I really am.
I am some no-name cube dweller at some big ass company that doesn’t even know I use java–and could care less.
In fact, they would just as soon get rid of me if they could buy some hunk of shit cots product from a big 3 sales turd with pearly whites and a silky smooth handshake as their eyes glaze over while watching the sales pitch–the whole while drooling out of the corner of their holes in their lobotomized skulls all over the glossy three-fold that tells what wonderful things said hung of shit can do for the Enterprise.
May 18th, 2004 at 6:10 pm
Hani: “When I will be elected president, I will burn the entire JBoss team and a clown!”
Reader: “Why a clown?”
Hani: “See? No-one cares about the JBoss team!”
May 18th, 2004 at 6:13 pm
Hani: “When I will be elected president, I will burn the entire JBoss team and a clown!”
Reader: “Why a clown?”
Hani: “See? No-one cares about the JBoss team!”
May 18th, 2004 at 7:09 pm
Hm.. Sorry, I am no pro, but would not UnifiedClassLoader, UnifiedClassLoader2, AND UnifiedClassLoader3 be generated by anonymous classes inside UnifiedClassLoader?
But other then that, – interesting read. :)
May 18th, 2004 at 7:23 pm
Sorry. Steve Lewis I am. And Andy Oliver worked at our site for a little while. This is pretty sad. :) If you have any other questions, feel free to email me at my work. We are quite happy JBoss customers.
While I appreciate the attempt by those who analyze, I can imagine that many of the JBG go onsite and also post. While it may not be all of the cases, it may be more than a little.
Thanks,
The *REAL* Steve Lewis.
May 18th, 2004 at 8:28 pm
“Hm.. Sorry, I am no pro, but would not UnifiedClassLoader, UnifiedClassLoader2, AND UnifiedClassLoader3 be generated by anonymous classes inside UnifiedClassLoader? ” -Kaban
I’ll bet you a ‘$’ that you’re wrong.
May 18th, 2004 at 8:52 pm
This problem is much more epidemic than you think. Remember the Canadian Amazon glitch that showed the usernames of all anonymous reviewers It proved that even famous and supposedly scrupulous authors were covertly praising their works and spreading FUDs about others’.
May 18th, 2004 at 10:28 pm
> Hani, I think you’ve missed your true audience,
> the true spirit of Bileblog. You’ve let them down.
> Please feel free to cross track IPs for Clown
> Puncher. Time for the ultimate expose of all–that
> which represents the true nature of the blogging
> community.
yeah, track down clown puncher. who know he’s in the same town (as I am). I’d love to have my clown punched by him.
sorry for my bad english (see, the first letter in any sentence is not capitalized). i’m from Brunei Darussalam, where we do weekly orgy in Sultan’s palace burning our easy-to-get petro dollars.
May 19th, 2004 at 4:56 am
> I’ll bet you a ‘$’ that you’re wrong
LOL!
You know you’ve been doing this job too long when you find yourself laughing at jokes like that.
May 19th, 2004 at 7:31 am
Toy app maker,
> What kind of asslicker has the free time to make
> pseudonyms and post on forums and blogs. You all
> should be ashamed. That kind of behavior is
> pathological.
The kind that is as asslicker as you are.
Sorry for my bad english. I’m from malaysia, the breeding ground for fundie terrorists in south east asia.
May 19th, 2004 at 9:09 am
I’ve met Ben Sabrin, a number of times. So while I can’t say the person posting as Ben is indeed Ben, I do know that there does exist a person named Ben Sabrin, who works at JBoss, and is a stand-up guy.
May 19th, 2004 at 9:33 am
Ben may be a stand up guy in person. He’s a whole ‘nuther person when he’s hiding behind a fake name. Try having a conversation with “Arun Patel” and see what kind of person Mr. Sabrin _really_ is.
May 19th, 2004 at 9:44 am
I thought you didn’t exist. =)
May 19th, 2004 at 10:03 am
>> I’ll bet you a ‘$’ that you’re wrong
>
>LOL!
>
>You know you’ve been doing this job too long when you find >yourself laughing at jokes like that.
Because you know it was funny. ;-)
You know you’ve been doing it too long when you come up with jokes like that–trying to inject humor to ease the pain. Afterall, why do we all come here to read Hani’s words of wit?
May 19th, 2004 at 11:30 am
I only asserted he exists.
May 19th, 2004 at 12:29 pm
> why do we all come here to read Hani’s words of wit?
There’s a typo in the last word there – you typed a ‘w’ instead of ‘sh’
May 19th, 2004 at 1:00 pm
Fleury, Fleury, Fleury!
May 19th, 2004 at 3:06 pm
This is a bunch of nonsense.
I suffer from multiple personality disorder so you really have no case here as they are all different people inside my head.
The voices told me to do it. There is no Fight Club. Only JBossssss
May 19th, 2004 at 3:47 pm
Jbossss has betrayed ussss, he took away our beloved preeeciouusssssssssss
May 19th, 2004 at 4:04 pm
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1595280,00.asp
May 19th, 2004 at 9:40 pm
We post under pseudonyms all the time, meaning of course, that we always refer to ourselves in the plural.
What is hilarious in this teapot stranded tempest, is the crew of amateur forensic investigators who have jumped into action, searching sites, looking through logs and investigating identities. These boys seriously consider themselves Mike Hammer like PIs !! While we read their (frankly quite boring) disertations on how they uncovered this non-event, and exposed that small potato, all presented with the Agatha Christie like “all convene in the living room while I reveal the identity of the murderer” style, these boys are probably picking up chicks in bars by sharing their oh-so-clever investigative stories, slightly trumped up (a-la Magnum PI perhaps ?) since the real thing is so dreadfully dull.
Hmm… on that note, they’re certainly cleverer than us.
May 19th, 2004 at 9:47 pm
We post under pseudonyms all the time, meaning of course, that we always refer to ourselves in the plural.
What is hilarious in this teapot stranded tempest, is the crew of amateur forensic investigators who have jumped into action, searching sites, looking through logs and investigating identities. These boys seriously consider themselves Mike Hammer like PIs !! While we read their (frankly quite boring) disertations on how they uncovered this non-event, and exposed that small potato, all presented with the Agatha Christie like “all convene in the living room while I reveal the identity of the murderer” style, these boys are probably picking up chicks in bars by sharing their oh-so-clever investigative stories, slightly trumped up (a-la Magnum PI perhaps ?) since the real thing is so dreadfully dull.
Hmm… on that note, they’re certainly cleverer than us.
May 20th, 2004 at 4:29 am
I’m glad to see that nobody who’s particularly intelligent is taking this whole thing seriously.
Blogging is a great way to share information and it can be fun. But it’s not like anybody takes opinions in posts as being gospel. Unless it’s by someone you know and respect and it has arguments to back it up.
To the people who are horrified by this scandel I’ll quote William Shatner – “You people need to move out of your parent’s basement and get a life.”
May 20th, 2004 at 10:04 am
crowbar,
have you ever been in a bar?
May 20th, 2004 at 11:36 am
I’m glad to see that noone particularly intelligent made up fake online personalities in order to boost their sales.
May 20th, 2004 at 11:38 am
At least they could’ve made up more believable names, like “Cock Massive” or “John Twelveinches von Fuck”.
May 20th, 2004 at 12:08 pm
Has there been a response yet from JBoss? Don’t they have an explanation?
May 20th, 2004 at 12:23 pm
I’m sorry, but why am I being dragged into this?
And anyway I removed the “von Fuck” from my name when I moved to the USA.
John
May 20th, 2004 at 1:23 pm
Crowbar,
I don’t see this as an isolated non-event, when I put all the things on the table, it’s easy to arrive to this conclusion:
“If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it?s probably a…”
May 20th, 2004 at 1:47 pm
…von Fuck.
May 20th, 2004 at 2:50 pm
http://www.cafeshops.com/jboss.10953281
May 20th, 2004 at 3:56 pm
CafePress. Now there was a brilliant idea for a company.
May 20th, 2004 at 7:08 pm
http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/
The original blog? Note the copyright 1994 …
May 20th, 2004 at 10:19 pm
> http://www.cafeshops.com/jboss.10953281
Now that is just revolting. I no longer want anything to do with my clown.
May 21st, 2004 at 3:53 pm
Well, Fleury is not admitting to astroturfing, but he’s saying they’re not gonna do it again.
OSDir coverage here.
LinuxWorld coverage here.
Slashdot has it here.
Hmm…I could make some snarky remark about not violating the Eleventh Commandment here…
May 26th, 2004 at 3:04 pm
I’m sorry, but why am I being dragged into this?
And anyway I removed the “von Fuck” from my name when I moved to the USA.
John
May 28th, 2004 at 3:04 pm
Corby Page is a very real person, Hani.
June 4th, 2004 at 7:17 am
What’s with all of this JBoss-bashing? This whole open-source thing was started because we wanted to work with better products and that’s what it’s all about. JBoss is one of these good products, but I guess must of you comic-book guys are just so ignorant and bored, that this doesn’t count.
You’re so lame…
June 4th, 2004 at 9:43 am
Andreas,
Look at Robin Roos and Patrick Linskey (JDO expert group)
I’m not sure if you were implying that we’re the same person, but for the record, Robin and I are not the same person, we just go to a bunch of the same conferences.
We are both members of the JDO expert group (and as such, both separate entities as far as the JCP is concerned), have co-spoke at several conferences (including JAOO 2003), and are both authors of different books. (“Java Data Objects” for Robin, and “Bitter EJB” for me. <shameless-plug>”Bitter EJB” is available at all the finest booksellers, and makes a great Father’s Day gift.</shameless-plug>)
Which brings up an interesting point about TSS’s new capabilities. People who post while at conferences will tend to post from the same IP as quite a lot of other people. To really get accurate information about fake people, you need to discount posts that come from conferences or other truly-shared IP addresses. Really, the analysis should take into account the address used when posting a given message, and use proximity in time for different posts from the same IP address as a correlation factor as well.
Or, on the flip side, if you’re looking to spoof the new system, go to a conference with lots of other posters, make some posts of your own, and also make some posts with the fake name. That’ll give your bogus avatar a certain level of plausible deniability.
-Patrick
June 4th, 2004 at 11:24 am
Oops, I now realize that I mis-parsed the “Posted by” on the posting that I was responding to. The quoted comment regarding Robin and I was posted by Anonymous, not Andreas.
-Patrick