Kill OSS Java
When the hell will all those people just curl up and die? I’m so heartily sick of that mustachioed hippie free-love deviant ESR spouting his OSS filth. When will he realise that he’s made all the money he possibly can from it, and it’s time to just shut up and move along now?
What’s even more offensive is how various Java type people will actually talk about the idea as if it’s a serious suggestion, or a matter worthy of discussion. The sheer presumptuousness of the premise beggars belief. Believe it or not, Java was never about sucking up to a bunch of slashdot teenagers. Who the hell cares what the Open Source Community think of Java? Their goodwill (or lack of, in fact) clearly has had absolutely no effect on Java. Just look at all the Java projects on sourceforge and freshmeat. Not exactly a lonely group desperate for all the marketing it can get.
The ridiculous assumptions made by all these articles are breathtaking. It’s telling that all these evangelists have next to nothing to do with Java, and are more often than not linux zealots running out of linux stories to masturbate to. For example, the furious arm waving proclaiming that if Java doesn’t go opensource, dotnot will win. Absolutely amazing the way this argument can actually be delivered without a hint of humour or sarcasm. Am I the only person who fails to see the Mel Gibsonesque leaps of Faith required to link the two? I mean really, what Java developers are being lost to dotnot? I’ll tell you, it’s the idiot kids who have that shiteating grin plastered on their faces at the sight of anything new. As soon as it becomes a serious technology, they jump ship and move onto something more hackworthy, or start a codehaus project or something.
The linuxtoday article is, to put it mildly, deeply offensive and ignorant. Open sourcing java has nothing to do with linux. Another astounding leap of faith. Java runs just fine on linux, there are thousands of Java developers who use linux exclusively. I’d hazard a guess but I’d say they’re likely NOT losing sleep over the exact licensing terms of either.
Still, it’s a comforting knowing exactly how silly this is, since it’s shown up on JavaLobby’s frontpage, along with other hilarious items as a desperate plea from Rick Ross trying to pimp out poor Matthew Schmidt. Perhaps YOU should hire him Ricky, if he’s that great? Oh the hypocrisy of it all! Our Fearless Leader got all upset over poomonkey’s blog on JRoller, yet he himself deposits his precious little nuggets everywhere.
So to sum up, Sun owns Java. Open source Java is alive and well, serious Java developers are too busy making money to give a crap about such idealist twaddle. All you GPL freaks can go join RMS’s love circle and get your jollies off by rubbing your unmentionables over his beard instead of irritating us Java types. Java doesn’t need ESR, RMS, or any of the Slashdot fucktard crowd blessings. We’re doing just fine here.
February 26th, 2004 at 1:30 am
First post! :)
February 26th, 2004 at 1:32 am
Well said. Open Sourcing Java makes absolutely no sense at all.
February 26th, 2004 at 1:37 am
Well said. Open-sourcing Rick Ross makes absolutely no sense at all.
February 26th, 2004 at 1:43 am
True, true!
February 26th, 2004 at 2:00 am
C’mon, the JVM should be open-sourced and handed to Jakarta to maintain. It’d be perfect!
February 26th, 2004 at 4:05 am
Phoooey, open source Java, what an absurd notion!
Oops.
http://news.com.com/2100-1007_3-5165427.html
February 26th, 2004 at 5:04 am
BEST ARTICLE EVER!
Loved to read it. Great stuff!
Keep up the good work.
And maybe a few more rants agains ESR? Would be cool!!!
February 26th, 2004 at 5:09 am
You’ve hit the nail on the head! Why are so many people losing sleep over this geek fixation? Would they hand over their cars to a public transport agency if they were told it was for the greater good? Some people need a good dose of reality…
February 26th, 2004 at 5:30 am
Open source Java and the libraries and let Apache Jakarta dorks manage them, bwahahaha! It would make upgrading JDK such a pleasant experience ;-)
February 26th, 2004 at 5:43 am
Careful now. OSS is good. Open source Java would be bad (purely because of M$). But don’t start a backlash against OSS or the media will jump aboard like fleas on a mangy dog.
February 26th, 2004 at 7:08 am
what media reads hani’s drivel?
February 26th, 2004 at 7:56 am
bravo. so bravely telling things that a covard like me knows deeply but cannot confess.
February 26th, 2004 at 8:31 am
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
February 26th, 2004 at 8:50 am
It’s just a matter of time: sooner or later JBG will hire someone who used to work at Sun on the JDK, and at that point “Java” will officially become a JBG project ;)
February 26th, 2004 at 8:51 am
…because my friends working with MFC have some opinions on portability paradigm and SWT that I can’t share here :)
February 26th, 2004 at 9:30 am
IBM has a JDK and a javac. Why can’t they just release the source code to that? Boom, OSS Java.
Are are they talking about removing all license restrictions on J2SE libraries?
February 26th, 2004 at 10:01 am
Just wanted to report another idiot kid with shit eating grin sighting.
February 26th, 2004 at 1:20 pm
+1
While I am not against the idea of an open-source JVM, the *STUPID* thing is that ESR boldly went go to Sun and told them “your business model sucks! Open Source Java NOW!”… it’s Sun’s business to mind over Sun’s JVM/JDK code, not RMS’s. If Sun’s die by wrong business, it’s Sun’s fault, not RMS’s profetical merits.
Anyway, if RMS wants an opensource JVM, he can go and hack on Kaffe, Wonka or whatever other JVM is there around instead of wasting people’s time and electricity.
February 26th, 2004 at 2:23 pm
Hmm very provocative article. But a lot of frameworks like the C++ zApp werde pulled out of service because the company was bought up by another bigger one which didn’t have the interest to pursue the development of the product. So even though this is quite unlikely in the case of SUN, if they are bought and the whole java stuff is locked inside a cupboard and thrown away OR tweaked to meet just the companies’ goals, you are toasted. What happend to Aldus pagemaker when it was bought by Adobe? What happend to that zApp framework? all gone and out.
So consider the Qt framework. If trolltech is bought the KDE project is still safe because the Qt libs for them are GPLed.
Your language and style of writing is rather offensive, btw.
February 26th, 2004 at 4:27 pm
ESR is stupid. Has been for years, he needs to get a job and shut up.
However it would be nice if sun ditched the annoying click-through license to download the JVM.
February 26th, 2004 at 5:25 pm
Leaps of faith greater than Mel Gibson’s:
The universe, earth, all things living and breathing and all things not came to being by pure luck.
It was luck that created animals and plants to cleanup the elephant dung on the plains of Africa.
Otherwise, the dung would be piling up real high by now.
It was also luck that animals take in O2 and release CO2 and the reverse with plants. What great luck!!!!
I do think, though, that some people evolved from primates. The Linux crowd, and that Clown Puncher guy.
February 26th, 2004 at 7:15 pm
hey vards dude, we *are* primates mate…
hani, that was the best ROFLMAO post yet!
February 26th, 2004 at 7:17 pm
Can you imagine what the JDK libraries would look like if some of the open-source monkeys in our midst got their cum-soiled hands on them?
Nothing would work. You would be told to fuck off and fix it yourself when inevitbly 30% of it didnt work. Then you would be told to “suck my dick” if you complained….
I would move to C# in a flash….
February 26th, 2004 at 10:09 pm
Hani as you know this wasn’t your best post eva. Take your time and get some qaulity on this board. Make the laughs last more than a few moment. And move on from the private part jokes your becoming like Ben Stiller and Bathrooom jokess
February 26th, 2004 at 10:19 pm
where’s chiara?
February 26th, 2004 at 11:50 pm
A worrying time. I find myself agreeing with Hani.
Open the JCP lists? Sure.
The source? Who cares.
February 27th, 2004 at 10:15 am
Great bile, but what took you so damn long?
February 27th, 2004 at 12:05 pm
Whole-heartedly agree, all this recent discussion regarding Sun “needing” to open Java is bollocks.
Some great chuckles can be garnered from the hardcore OSS zealots tho. My favorites are the people who flat-out refuse to install Nvidia’s (gasp!!!) binary-only drivers….but I’m convinced most of those nuts merely post it to look kewl…
February 27th, 2004 at 2:02 pm
Ahh, so we have smoked out the hardcore non-OSS zealots with this bile. I see nobody has even responded to Boogaloo’s arguments. What I would prefer would be an “OpenSource and Linux type” situation, where the source is released and open but where Sun and the JCP perform the Linus role of vetting all changes. With this situation you have Sun retaining a level of control over the final ‘product’, yet you are safeguarded from the situations correctly highlighted in Boogaloo’s post. Perhaps someone can reply intelligently without referring to shit-eating grins and Punching. If anyone wants Punching, I know just the person to send around.
February 27th, 2004 at 4:33 pm
I think fate should be scourged and crucified!
February 27th, 2004 at 6:33 pm
Rampant Clown,
non-OSS Zealots eh? We’re not the ones making demands.
Since, there are many companies, groups and organizations beyond Sun with a vested interest in Java, I don’t see how Boogaloo’s comments are even valid, which is probably why no one responded.
To be honest I could care less if Java falls into some sort of OSS situation as long as assurances are in place that prevent forking and incompatibilities. It is somewhat arrogant though to ask Sun to turn Java over and still expect them to manage the spec and produce compatibility kits don’t you think?
What I would really love to see, is for the OSS “Community” to actually put their money where their mouth is and build an open source platform as robust as Java and stop making demands that others turn over their property. Since that actually takes money, I doubt it will ever happen unless the cash comes from an evil corporation like IBM, Microsoft or Sun.
Be a man (or woman) and post using your real name!
Rob
February 27th, 2004 at 6:50 pm
JBOSS IS OSS! OSS IS JBOSS! I WILL UCKING KILL YOU! SING ME ‘BLUE VELVET’ YOU DAAAAMN blogcrier!
February 27th, 2004 at 10:13 pm
Poem to javac
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JBG JDK ESR MFC,
OSS ESR GPL SWT
IBM RMS JVM JCP.
February 27th, 2004 at 10:22 pm
EAT A DICK!!!
February 28th, 2004 at 10:37 am
Get a life losers
March 1st, 2004 at 6:40 pm
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March 1st, 2004 at 9:05 pm
last post!
March 3rd, 2004 at 1:27 am
I agree with Rob. I would much rather see the specification owned by Sun, they are the committers. But allow the JVM/JRE/JDK/etc to be open-sourced. I don’t believe Sun should give up their rights, and frankly, as big as Java is, I am surprised they aren’t making more money on it. I am glad too, as JAva is one of the few languages you can download and get going in an hour or so on development and be able to developer client side, applets, wireless, server side and all that from one download (pretty much), perhaps two if you include jboss or something for server side. I don’t see any of the linux C compilers being os easy to download and use, although perhaps they are more so now than last time I checked. Other than Borland/MetroWerks/MS IDE’s which all cost big money, there are few IDE’s/languages that give you the full bang you get out of java for the low/no cost.
March 5th, 2004 at 6:54 am
To all the people who like the JVM not being OSS:
why don’t you fucking stop using Jakarta products, JBoss, etc.? Do you really think that an OS JVM would not work? mmm, i think that the only people that suck are the readers of this blog.
March 23rd, 2004 at 12:58 pm
Ha ha! Bileblog is written by a dipshit!
Let’s see here…
Most popular Java web server: Tomcat
Most popular J2EE framework: JBoss
Most popular IDE: Eclipse, maybe Netbeans
Most popular persistance framework: Eclipse
Most popular JVM: Only a matter of time, bitch
March 23rd, 2004 at 12:59 pm
Whoops! I’m a dipshit too.
Most popular persistance framework: Hibernate
(I got carried away in my RMS-like self rightousness and didn’t read what I was posting.)
March 24th, 2004 at 2:34 pm
“why don’t you fucking stop using Jakarta products, JBoss, etc.?”
Ok deal, now you stop using commercial VMs and stick to the VMs that are exclusivly open source.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:57 pm
Wow! I can’t believe it only took three more years. (bitch!)