Genesis of JBoss AOP
DISCLAIMER
: None of the people mentioned below (Marc Fleury, Bob Lee, or Bill Burke) have given permission for me to post this. However, I’ve gathered material from two sources who choose to remain anonymous, and pieced together various other bits and pieces from stuff that is publically available. I’m sorry to those involved for airing your dirty laundry, but such is life. All the facts mentioned below are, to the best of my knowledge, accurate.
I realise a lot of this is old news to many people, but I’ve just pieced together the pieces and it makes for quite a fascinating story. I must admit that as someone who dislikes Marc Fleury, I’m perfectly willing to concede that he is in all likelihood a somewhat functional human being. The trail of JBoss AOP however makes a compelling case for him in fact being a deranged psychopathic lunatic, who is a danger to himself as well as those around him.
It was the winter of 2002. The world was just learning to get on with it, terrorists were lurking everywhere, and christmas was looming where believers and unbelievers alike had to put up with having to see relatives yet again. The bileblog at the time was but a twinkle in the eye of its illustrious author, and java developers everywhere enjoyed casual tugging of one another’s genitalia.
Bill Burke decides that it’s time to nail down the JBoss 4.0 requirements (December 4th, AOP on JBoss forum). We see our hero, Bob Lee, happily chime in, with offers of help and advice. In fact, he said ‘Let me know what you want to do, and we’ll do it.’.
At the time, Bob had written jAdvise, one of the AOP framework frenzy pioneers. This made him somewhat of an expert and a valuable resource. Bob is now involved in hashing out the details of JBoss AOP, and is providing a lot of ideas and contributing to the project. Bill Burke seems to have regular conversations with Bob about JBoss AOP. Even the mighty Deranged One chimes in with a ‘welcome to the group bob :)’ on Jan 16th 2003.
Of course, this early harmony was destined to be shattered. Sadly this is often the case with psychopaths. Bill Burke takes the jAdvise code as-is and checks it in to the JBoss CVS tree (exhibit A: CVS History for Interceptor), aimed tremendously by Bob’s innocence and naivete in not specifying a license. You can look there right now at the javadocs for org.jboss.aop.Instrumentor and org.jboss.aop.Advisor, both have bob lee as the author (at some point, his @author tag was removed, and later restored). Suddenly, JBoss AOP has actual code and is no longer a case of a couple of guys masturbating in their parents garage. What’s even funnier is the very first CVS commit message for Instrumetor from Bill: ‘crazybob’s stuff. Great stuff. Actually works, unlike the Javassist reflect package’. A later cvs commit message is even funnier: ‘Also added LGPL license and fixed authorship comments’
The next step in this whirlwind tour is TSS Symposium, which is coming up. The wise old men in charge of TSS decide that they must journey far and wide to the corners of the land to find he who holds the most info and Knows Stuff Best about various topics. Who was the AOP luminary selected? Yep, you guessed it, none other than Bob Lee. He shows up and talks about jAdvice, a talk made all the more relevant by the fact that it’s become the framework that the fleury clan has chosen to rip off for their own plans of world domination.
Bob is invited by TSS to speak at the TSS Symposium. The topic is JBoss AOP. Now, Bob isn’t a JBoss employee. However, he certainly knows his AOP. He also certainly knows his JBoss AOP, given that at the time, the only code in said AOP framework was his. It’s not too surprising that he’d be considered somewhat of an authority on the subject.
Now, I can’t see into the mind of the psychopath, but it doesn’t take a genius to see how it functions. I’d imagine the JBoss collective as a whole was furious with this selection. Not just gets-angry type of fury, but a full blown oh-my-god-I-will-burn-your-grandmother-and-defecate-in-her-skull type of fury. Why the hell should some kid get all the credit for AOP, when it’s clear than it’ll never get anywhere without JBoss? Who the hell does this twerp think he is, talking about stuff that is now clearly owned by JBoss? Will someone please think of the children (otherwise known as PR and advertising spots)?
Later on, Bob suggests to Bill that they collaborate on a book on JBoss AOP, given that they know more about the subject matter than pretty much anyone else. Now despite my personal bias, I’m still unable to quite see why this is considered an insane request by the JBoss clan. Marc at this point is on the verge of kidnapping Bob and torturing him by forcing him talk to Nathalie for hours on end as punishment. His rage isn’t even the fun stuff we see in public, it’s downright scary. His opinion is (caps not mine) ‘ YOU WANT TO FUCK ME OVER BY WRITING A BOOK ABOUT MY STUFF WHERE WE GET ZERO DOLLARS I WILL MAKE WE DESTROY YOU SO MUCH YOU NEVER THE LIGHT OF DAY AGAIN.’
The spastic one also then insists that nobody will ever, EVER be allowed to write books on JBoss, illustrating his point with his usual verve and eloquence ‘YOU DON”T WRITE ON JBOSS’ (note the double quote, indicating the use of fist-of-fury on the shift key).
So there you have it. Of course, this is all ancient history now. These days Marc is no longer allowed to communicate with the outside world before Nathalie vetting anything he has to say (thankfully!). Bob Lee has moved on beyond the first generation aspect framework business and has just released dynaop (I hate AOP, but if you like it, dynaop is pretty good). JBoss users however still adore their fearless leader, and incredibly, actually take pride in him. What a sad sad world.
February 12th, 2004 at 5:41 pm
Francisco D’Anconia
February 12th, 2004 at 5:41 pm
Oh, man. JBoss AOP has come a long way since the jAdvise days.
February 12th, 2004 at 5:41 pm
First post! (so far)
Just a general comment…keep up the posting Fate. BTW you must be a well-adjusted healthy person getting this bile out. I just stew in it. It’s good to see the other side of other people seeing that tech takes more time than reading a PowerPoint slide.
February 12th, 2004 at 5:41 pm
“Marc at this point is on the verge of kidnapping Bob and torturing him by forcing him talk to Nathalie for hours on end as punishment.”
I fell from the chair after reading that. Thanks, Hani, this made my – already pretty good – day.
February 12th, 2004 at 5:41 pm
Francisco D’Anconia The Noble
February 12th, 2004 at 5:43 pm
DAMMIT GET OFF MY BORED YOU YOU PUNCHERS YOU EAT THE HAT
February 12th, 2004 at 5:45 pm
I AM CHILEAN YOU STUPID HAT EATER JWZRD GOOD THING I CAN TYPE AS IF I AM USEING A TELEGRAPH.
February 12th, 2004 at 5:45 pm
Isn’t this ironic. JBoss steal someones code and call it LGPL and later claim it’s theirs? *cough*jboss vs. apache*cough*. SCO anyone?
February 12th, 2004 at 5:51 pm
“Dude, you’ve been SCOed”
A new word for the lexicon.
February 12th, 2004 at 5:55 pm
A JBoss Story.
“… I WILL MAKE WE DESTROY YOU …”
says marcf. He’s gay.
—
(C) 2004 A Spiffster Haiku
February 12th, 2004 at 5:59 pm
VOUS VOULEZ ME BAISER PLUS DE PAR WRITING UN LIVRE CONCERNANT MA SUBSTANCE OÙ NOUS OBTENONS Les DOLLARS ZÉRO QUE JE NOUS FERAI NE VOUS DÉTRUIS TELLEMENT VOUS JAMAIS LA LUMIÈRE DU JOUR ENCORE
February 12th, 2004 at 6:01 pm
Ecrire, ecrire, c’est ecrire, mon dieu!!! Alors, voulez vous tirez un petit coup avec moi dans ce hotel la?
February 12th, 2004 at 6:11 pm
My all-time favorite from Bill Burke (one week ago):
> can you explain control flow below more?
http://jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&t=45127
February 12th, 2004 at 6:56 pm
Hani, you are a sick bastard that take pride in hurting people that call you friends. But this was beyond you. Associating our dear Bob (a very capable programmer indeed) with the sorry turd of code that they label JBoss AOP is not funny. It’s mean, Hani. Shame on you.
February 12th, 2004 at 7:16 pm
All your AOP are belong to us.
You are on the way to destruction.
What you say !!
You have no chance to invokevirtual make your time.
HA HA HA HA ….
February 12th, 2004 at 7:33 pm
Hani, I have to give you credit. Your version is a lot more exciting than the real story. Check your facts with Bob Lee. He made a minor contribution to JBoss AOP: two instrumentor files, the rest were just comperators and util classes. We had Bob’s permission to include those files. He was acknowledged as an author; his name was never removed. We added Bob Lee’s name to some files at a later date, because he had neglected to do so himself, earlier.
It’s been one year and only now do “Crazy” Bob or un-named persons decide to bring this matter to your attention? Have they been sleeping with a printed version of that email under their pillow the whole time? With all the trash we talk, we could do a signing at industry events for all emails we originated that offended somebody.
As for talking to me for hours being torture, what can I say? We have that irresistible effect on people.
February 12th, 2004 at 7:49 pm
Well, this was all very diverting and entertaining.
FYI, I have emailed Bob Lee and chatted to Marc and Bill on IM.
Firstly, there is no ill will on either side and as far as I can tell, everyone is all still friends. Certainly Bill and Bob both like each other (and I like both of them). In fact, Bill tried very hard to recruit Bob, and it was Bob’s decision to not join JBoss and everyone is perfectly fine with that.
As to the insinuation that Bill somehow stole code from Bob, that is of course absolute garbage and both Bob and Bill have denied this to me.
Well, I know that my lovey lovey mungbean version of events is waaay less exciting. How disappointing. However, it has the other small differentiating feature of being actually /true/.
Anyway, we could all continue harming the open source movement by continuing to act like children, or we could get some actual work done…..
February 12th, 2004 at 8:38 pm
Gavin, you are right about acting like “children”. Just a small correction we didn’t try to recruit bob as an employee but as a contributor.
He chose not to contribute directly but gave us a couple jAdvise files we needed. He didn’t put his name as author tag, so we added him.
Finally when TSS advertised him as “lead JBoss AOP” and bob proposed to write a book on JBoss AOP, it was misleading because his early files were minor contributions and he never contributed anything after that.
I saw his dynaAOP and I thought it was interesting actually. I know bill and bob communicate by IM and actually get along fine. No biggy here.
Hani, perhaps you could name your sources… CDN? Cameron? chiara? carlos V who seems to have a thing for my wife? cedric? rickard? the list goes on when you are as popular as we are and talk the way I do…
But whoever they are, they don’t seem very reliable. Sorry to rain on your watergate or AOP-Gate parade.
marcf
February 12th, 2004 at 8:42 pm
“My all-time favorite from Bill Burke (one week ago):
> can you explain control flow below more?
http://jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&t=45127 ”
It’s more like an all-time Fleury:
“this is great stuff
we need you to do a BLOG entry about this to give some visibility and order on the forums posts
_________________
Marc Fleury, PhD
Founder JBoss inc”
A BLOOOOG ENTRY!!!
February 12th, 2004 at 8:48 pm
Hey Carlos, since when do you have a thing for Mrs. Fleury? Marc doesn’t seem to mind – that’s the real spirit of open source: LGPL your wife.
February 12th, 2004 at 8:50 pm
forgot to say
hani and cameron: the new more polished me aims bigger than your sorry efforts.
jon tirsen: are you pissed off because I called IoC “gay”? I am sorry if you took that personally, that was just my view on the technology.
So once and for all
I WILL HUNT YOU ALL DOWN FOR TRYING TO PROFIT FROM THE INTERNET. THE INTERNET BELONGS TO JBOSS AND ME ME ME AND ANY OF YOU TRYING TO USE IT AND PAY JBOSS ZERO DOLLARS WILL PAY IN BLOOD SWEAT TOIL AND TEARS!!!!
And as a night cap for all you bad boys out there. I heard from a friend of a friend of friend (who might be as reliable as hani’s source) who mentioned JBoss to Alfred Chuang from BEA and I quote “he flipped a switch, he said JBoss was a crazy company that had STOLEN THEIR CODE (!!!!!!!) but that he couldn’t sue us because he was afraid for his life”. Now THAT is pretty crazy.
February 12th, 2004 at 8:59 pm
LGPL mrs Fleury? wow I’ll have a piece of that!
But knowing Dr Marc he wouldn’t go for that license. He would go for the GPL. The GPL would require you give your wife back in return.
Let’s even not get started on the BSD license, with the BSD you can take the wife and run. Specifically if you are IBM and the wife is Axis.
February 12th, 2004 at 9:55 pm
IoC *is* gay. Why do you apologize for saying that.
February 12th, 2004 at 11:37 pm
Actually GPL would require that you released any progeny back to the community. That’s just wrong in so many ways.
February 12th, 2004 at 11:38 pm
ROFL
This comments got real funny. Perhaps I reacted over-seriously…
:)
February 12th, 2004 at 11:41 pm
Actually GPL would require that you released any progeny back to the community. That’s just wrong in so many ways.
February 13th, 2004 at 12:09 am
1) I gave Bill Burke my permission to use jAdvise (actually, I suggested he use it). Bill did everything by the book. He’s a good developer and friend.
2) Marc, my name was always on each source file from the beginning (the proof is in CVS). Do I care if someone removed it? No.
3) If my contribution was so trivial, then why did JBoss need it? A lot more goes into software than just good code.
4) Noone is trying to slander JBoss. I have not exactly kept my runin with Marc a secret over the last year, Hani included. My intentions weren’t malicious. It’s just a *really* funny story.
5) Gavin, I think we’re more sensitive to these spats because we’re part of the community. The community isn’t falling apart. The fact is, we’re the only ones that read these blogs. I’ve never worked with anyone else that has, and I’ve consulted at a lot of places with a lot of people. I’m sure other tight knit development communities go through the exact same thing.
6) Can we pull the sticks out of our asses and stop taking ourselves so seriously?
February 13th, 2004 at 12:31 am
Yay, who needs soap operas when we have these things going on with the opensource java land?
February 13th, 2004 at 1:10 am
Fleury, get Natalie to vet what you say before you write it or my mate the Puncher will be around to call … and he won’t be there to suck anything either.
February 13th, 2004 at 3:24 am
Marc Fleury: No I’m certainly not pissed off by anything at all. I just think that JBoss AOP is pretty crappy code, that’s all.
And by all means keep calling IoC “gay” I certainly don’t mind. It’s trendy to be “gay”.
Cheers and good luck!
:-)
February 13th, 2004 at 6:57 am
marc: “Hani, perhaps you could name your sources… Cameron?”
By all means, if I am a source for any of this humor, please make it public. (Of course I’m not — I can’t even spell AOP.)
marc: “cameron: the new more polished me aims bigger than your sorry efforts.”
I’m not sure about your aims, but some of us were born with a big effort, and a good polishing is always appreciated.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, there’s a rampant clown that needs some punching.
February 13th, 2004 at 9:32 am
Ya’ll got it all wrong. IoC is just a fad. Been around a lot longer than all the hype around it. AOP is useful for only a few things, too much hype around it, although when it comes to EJB which is overly complex, AOP does have some value. But plugins, my friends, is where it’s at. Eclipse, JEdit, IntelliJ, JBuilder, JBoss, etc…all plugin containers, right on! Plugins make the world go round. That is why I have built a plugin engine that will soon allow me to rule the world! muhahahahahahah!
Oh, sorry. Got a little carried away there. Seriously, I love the Eclipse IDE and its plugin architecture, as such my plugin engine is similar, yet different than the eclipse plugin engine. In most cases I belive developing applications as reloadable plugin modules is much better than the traditional all code in 100′s/1000′s of files for one application. I believe it is much better for teams, especially regional teams as well. This IOC stuff, doesn’t seem all that its cracked up to be to me. I’ve read about Pico, Spring and several others and they don’t impress me. Perhaps that is because I am overly bent on plugins instead, I dont know.
Pretty kewl reading this thread though. PRovided me with some laughter in the early am, that is hard to do, especially without my coffee.
February 13th, 2004 at 10:18 am
Did you see that student in the UK who auctioned her virginity on the net last week? Maybe Marc could do the same with his ass if he needs money that badly. Oh wait a minute, it’s already been used…by Hani.
February 13th, 2004 at 10:31 am
I think I solved it.
CP = Clown Puncher = Cameron Purdy = Corby Page
Bob’s right. Once you break it down, there are only four people who read and post these blogs. And Cameron’s got the Google searches to prove it.
February 13th, 2004 at 10:51 am
Writing this letter stems from a desperation to be heard, if not by a court of law, then by a court of public opinion. It is worth noting at the outset that Nathalie Mason-Fleury’s stories about egotism are particularly ridden with errors and distortions, even leaving aside the concept’s initial implausibility. I sometimes joke about how she has nothing but contempt for responsibility, duty, and honor. But seriously, she is guilty of at least one criminal offense. In addition, Nathalie frequently exhibits less formal criminal behavior, such as deliberate and even gleeful cruelty, explosive behavior, and a burning desire to harvest what others have sown.
There can be no doubt that if we don’t work beyond the predatory plasticity of her fairy tales right now, then Nathalie’s inveracities will soon start to metastasize until they cause pain and injury to those who don’t deserve it. Nathalie’s cajoleries serve as a stepping stone to world government. And who will compose that world government? A ruling class consisting of flighty simpletons and petulant sots.
Fortunately, the groundswell of quiet opposition to Nathalie is getting less quiet and more organized. Still, I am making a pretty serious accusation here. I am accusing Nathalie of planning to make us less united, less moral, less sensitive, less engaged, and more perversely empty-headed. And I don’t want anyone to think that I am basing my accusation only on the fact that there are some simple truths in this world. First, with her rejoinders, simple credos like “check your sources” and “argue the other side of the question” have gone out the window. Second, I am one of her victims. And finally, I have a message for her. My message is that, for the good of us all, she should never guarantee the destruction of anything that looks like a vital community. She should never even try to do such an inconsiderate thing. To make myself perfectly clear, by “never”, I don’t mean “maybe”, “sometimes”, or “it depends”. I mean only that Nathalie’s idea of ridiculous quislingism is no political belief. It is a fierce and burning gospel of hatred and intolerance, of murder and destruction, and the unloosing of an anal-retentive, offensive blood-lust. It is, in every sense, an ethically bankrupt and pagan religion that incites its worshippers to a sniffish frenzy and then prompts them to brainwash the masses into submission. Nathalie doesn’t want us to introduce an important, but underrepresented, angle on her ignorant hijinks. She would rather we settle for the meatless bone of larrikinism.
I maintain that we should build a sane and healthy society free of her destructive influences, and I have formalized my commitment to this high ideal by ensuring that I always oppose her and all she stands for. I’m sure you get my point here. The dogs of feudalism are barking up a storm, driven half-mad by the thought that the natural result of Nathalie’s deeds is an intolerance that, in the long run, tends to create an untrue and injurious impression of an entire people. And that furious barking is music to my ears, because even if one isn’t completely conversant with current events, the evidence overwhelmingly indicates that relative to just a few years ago, loud weasels are nearly ten times as likely to believe that she answers to no one. This is neither a coincidence nor simply a sign of the times. Rather, it reflects a sophisticated, psychological warfare program designed by Nathalie to reduce social and cultural awareness to a dictated set of guidelines to follow. Couldn’t you figure that out for yourself, Nathalie? If you’ve ever watched television or read a book, odds are that you already know that if you’ve read this far, then you probably either agree with me or are on the way to agreeing with me.
The most believable explanation for many of the destructive trends in politics, economics, morality, and other key areas over the past two years is that a secretive, incredibly morally questionable, well-organized movement has been striving relentlessly to seize control of the power structure. An equal but opposite observation is that she maintains that she is omnipotent. This is hardly the case. Rather, there is growing evidence that says, to the contrary, that her most brutal tactic is to fabricate a phony war between disingenuous troublemakers and uncompromising meatheads. This way, Nathalie can subjugate both groups into helping her impose a particular curriculum, vision of history, and method of pedagogy on our school systems. I decidedly don’t want that to happen, which is why I’m telling you that if I try really, really hard, I can almost see why Nathalie would want to supplant national heroes with the worst kinds of mad kleptomaniacs there are. You don’t have to say anything specifically about Nathalie for her to start attacking you. All you have to do is dare to imply that we should restore the world back to its original balance. Some day, I want to put to rest the animosities that have kept various groups of people from enjoying anything other than superficial unity. But you don’t have to wait for that. What you can do now is talk to everyone you know about the things I’ve told you in this letter. Use every medium available to you. Use the Internet. Use your telephone. Use radio and newspapers. And whatever you do, never be afraid to speak out against the evil that is Nathalie Mason-Fleury.
February 13th, 2004 at 11:01 am
Hani, your such a wank, get your facts straight. Chiara, stop writing long and boring retorts, it fucks me off, your not funny and your not clever.
February 13th, 2004 at 11:07 am
Whoever you are, you have plenty of time to waste it like that ….
February 13th, 2004 at 11:52 am
Tired: gay.
Wired: metrosexual.
IoC is metrosexual.
February 13th, 2004 at 12:02 pm
Hey Chiara and Nathalia,
what about a sandwich with my boyfriend, eh?
Aspen.
February 13th, 2004 at 12:27 pm
if (person.equals(“chiara”))
{
waste_time_loop();
}
elsie if (person.equals(“Cameron”))
{
punch_own_clown();
}
February 13th, 2004 at 12:31 pm
if (person.equals(“chiara”))
{
waste_time_loop();
}
elsie if (person.equals(“Cameron”))
{
punch_own_clown();
}
February 13th, 2004 at 12:34 pm
yes hani, you really are an asshat, can i masturbate you…mentally?
February 13th, 2004 at 3:35 pm
I knew a guy that did a bunch of work for that Bitter EJB book that crazy bob and bruce tate wrote. He said they robbed him blind and gave him no credit at all. Guess it just runs in that ratpack.
February 13th, 2004 at 3:56 pm
I would only trust the eclipse former PARC people for anything regarding AOP.
February 13th, 2004 at 7:34 pm
Yet another nail in the coffin of ‘Corporate Acceptance for JBoss’ – great comments there Marc. BEA & IBM must be sitting back and grinning.
February 13th, 2004 at 9:04 pm
LOL Corby!
Yes, Cameron’s google searches are very impressive. He is a convincing chap, he is.
February 13th, 2004 at 9:33 pm
I am weak in legal issues, so… if Mr Fleury LGPL’s his wife, can I resell her for profit? I promise to publish the CVS history with all the names and ownership information.
February 13th, 2004 at 10:03 pm
I’ve had suspisions before but this post is so dramatically different from the other styles employed that I must say it appears as if there are several writers for the bileblog. Or, did Chiara write this and you sanitized?
February 13th, 2004 at 10:34 pm
Chiara you and Rickard should hook up and have some kids. One paranoid megalomanic mated with a paranoid schizophrenic would definetly alter the face of humanity for evermore.
February 14th, 2004 at 8:45 am
Bileblog just one writer wrote : “did Chiara write this and you sanitized”.
You mean did Chiara write it while Hani was in the toilet ? Doing what ?
February 14th, 2004 at 9:26 am
Are majority of java developers gay????
There are lots of that G word in the comments of the last 2 blog entries….
Geeezzzz……
Clown puncher, what do you mean by “clown”? And what do you mean by “punching”? Are you thinking what I’m thinking?
February 14th, 2004 at 2:13 pm
Pater, what are you thinking exactly ? You seem to have some fascination with gay … is clown a bottom ? what do *you* mean by punch ? I’m not a bottom. I’m a clown, and I’m rampant
February 15th, 2004 at 6:21 am
Chiara, suck my knob. It might keep you quiet for a while. What a boring bitch.
February 15th, 2004 at 11:13 am
He has a wife you know…..
Do you know what she is called……
Incontentia Buttocks….
February 15th, 2004 at 9:13 pm
Master Pater,
what do you think I mean by “punch” and what do you think “clown” refers to?
February 15th, 2004 at 11:27 pm
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February 16th, 2004 at 1:12 am
Clown Puncher, I’ll get back to you shortly after I’ve finished with Biggus Dickus.
So, Dickus, Chiara bored you? Why are you STILL holding her tight like that. Hand her over to me, now! (but you need to tell me the kind of license for this Chiara thing)
Ok, Clown Puncher, I thought you refer to “phallus” whenever you say “clown”. And “punch” refers to “she-bop”. If you don’t know what they mean, get yourself a dicksionary, but you need to take it out of Chiara’s “oral cavity” first.
February 16th, 2004 at 7:00 am
Cia-wa comes under a fwee license. Fwee chi-wa. Welease wodda-wick.
February 16th, 2004 at 9:47 am
hey b.d., since you’re obviously the last one to get the joke, the deranged chiara posts are both fake and facetious ..
February 16th, 2004 at 11:20 am
Master Pater (hey, that rhymes!):
I thought I told you, she didn’t put the dictionary in her oral orafice.
February 16th, 2004 at 11:26 am
And now, an instant IQ Test:
Have you ever posted pseudo-code as a joke?
(as above, e.g if (person.equals(“chiara”)) …etc).
Then you are AN IDIOT.
Nothing you can do about it.
February 17th, 2004 at 6:26 am
Oh I must be a big dick then. How mortifyingly embarassing. I’ll just go and do some clown punching to take my mind off it.
February 17th, 2004 at 6:26 am
Oh I must be a big dick then. How mortifyingly embarassing. I’ll just go and do some clown punching to take my mind off it.
February 17th, 2004 at 1:51 pm
Wow, the audience on BileBlog has really declined lately. Wonder why that is?
February 18th, 2004 at 4:08 am
The chiara blog became the same psychotic mess bileblog is turning into when she started attacking the Fleurys. I stopped reading her when she came out with marka-hari, it was over for me. Same here, it smells like lies to get attention.
Attacking marcf and nathalie-m-f is the equivalent of blog heroin. It makes you look cool, you feel good and popular, you get hooked, you start smelling bad, you start lying, you go crazy and then… you die.
marc fleury is the devil.
February 18th, 2004 at 11:22 am
The above post was not posted by me. I keep my posts full of s e x u a l innuendo, and you’ll notice there’s only drug reference in the post above.