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		<title>By: Eric Pugh</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5054</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Pugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2004 06:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that projects need to have more levels then just contributor and committer.  After all, we all know that while all committers are equal, some are more equal then others for good reasons.  Often people come into a project with a specific itch to scratch.  They want to solve a problem, commit a feature, and then move on.   I would love to be able to specify that I want commit privileges to this branch of the tree, or for 2 months to accomplish this issue.  And if the adminstrative crap can be kept to a minimum, this would work.  If committer X says I can work in this portion of the project for 2 months, then bingo! It&#039;s done.  But, after a while, doing some commits, that is when it really becomes appropriate to bump up the access for the new quasi-committer via a vote or whatnot to the mailing list.  

Patch&#039;s are very cumbersome to work through, and make it hard for the older committers to really judge a person.  Instead, give them commit is a small portion of the project and see what they do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that projects need to have more levels then just contributor and committer.  After all, we all know that while all committers are equal, some are more equal then others for good reasons.  Often people come into a project with a specific itch to scratch.  They want to solve a problem, commit a feature, and then move on.   I would love to be able to specify that I want commit privileges to this branch of the tree, or for 2 months to accomplish this issue.  And if the adminstrative crap can be kept to a minimum, this would work.  If committer X says I can work in this portion of the project for 2 months, then bingo! It&#8217;s done.  But, after a while, doing some commits, that is when it really becomes appropriate to bump up the access for the new quasi-committer via a vote or whatnot to the mailing list.  </p>
<p>Patch&#8217;s are very cumbersome to work through, and make it hard for the older committers to really judge a person.  Instead, give them commit is a small portion of the project and see what they do!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Slut</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5053</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Slut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on Hani just give me commit access and I won&#039;t have to bother you so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Hani just give me commit access and I won&#8217;t have to bother you so much!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5052</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2003 20:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I resemble a commit slut, and it bugs me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I resemble a commit slut, and it bugs me.</p>
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		<title>By: Davide Inglima</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5051</link>
		<dc:creator>Davide Inglima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2003 04:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does this remind me of people from the following list?

- IRC OP Sluts
- Forum Mod Sluts
- Website Newsmaster Sluts
- Collective-Blog Posters Sluts
- Blog Comments-Writers Sluts
- Usenet Top-(innumbersofposts)-Posters Sluts
- Spammers

Am I alone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does this remind me of people from the following list?</p>
<p>- IRC OP Sluts<br />
- Forum Mod Sluts<br />
- Website Newsmaster Sluts<br />
- Collective-Blog Posters Sluts<br />
- Blog Comments-Writers Sluts<br />
- Usenet Top-(innumbersofposts)-Posters Sluts<br />
- Spammers</p>
<p>Am I alone?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Bastard</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5050</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rickard is a Swedish socialist slut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rickard is a Swedish socialist slut.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5049</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ive been on a SourceForge project for the last 6 months, and I&#039;m now an Admin. When I started there were 19 people with commit rights. During the last 6 months, 14 of them have done nothing ... not one commit between them, not one item mail on the mailing list, or entry on the Forums. So I&#039;ve just had the pleasure to remove their commit rights :-)

Adios CoÃ±os</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive been on a SourceForge project for the last 6 months, and I&#8217;m now an Admin. When I started there were 19 people with commit rights. During the last 6 months, 14 of them have done nothing &#8230; not one commit between them, not one item mail on the mailing list, or entry on the Forums. So I&#8217;ve just had the pleasure to remove their commit rights :-)</p>
<p>Adios CoÃ±os</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Logemann</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5048</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Logemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respect people that get out of developers lists, even of &quot;famous&quot; (positive or neagtive is up to the reader) ones like Jboss, like Rickard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect people that get out of developers lists, even of &#8220;famous&#8221; (positive or neagtive is up to the reader) ones like Jboss, like Rickard.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Grott</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5047</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Grott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve updated all of the opensympany source for copyright of new year 4002.  May I please have commit rights to check it in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve updated all of the opensympany source for copyright of new year 4002.  May I please have commit rights to check it in?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Copeland</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5046</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Copeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  I kind of did this with JavaCC.  I&#039;m going to commit something more than &quot;stuff PMD found&quot; real soon.  No, really!   Gack.

A possible solution is a &quot;committers emeritus&quot; page, i.e.:

http://pmd.sourceforge.net/credits.html

This lets you clean up inactive committers without making anyone feel bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  I kind of did this with JavaCC.  I&#8217;m going to commit something more than &#8220;stuff PMD found&#8221; real soon.  No, really!   Gack.</p>
<p>A possible solution is a &#8220;committers emeritus&#8221; page, i.e.:</p>
<p><a href="http://pmd.sourceforge.net/credits.html" rel="nofollow">http://pmd.sourceforge.net/credits.html</a></p>
<p>This lets you clean up inactive committers without making anyone feel bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5045</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grouch Marx said something like &quot;I would not join any club that would have me as a member&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grouch Marx said something like &#8220;I would not join any club that would have me as a member&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5044</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely calling them a slut is implying that they will sleep with anyone. 

Hani, I&#039;m not sure that applying for commit access to OpenSymphony means that they want to sleep with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely calling them a slut is implying that they will sleep with anyone. </p>
<p>Hani, I&#8217;m not sure that applying for commit access to OpenSymphony means that they want to sleep with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Rampant Clown</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5043</link>
		<dc:creator>Rampant Clown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2003 06:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, he&#039;s just pissed off because he&#039;s not made it to project admin on OpenSymphony yet and JiraMikeJira has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, he&#8217;s just pissed off because he&#8217;s not made it to project admin on OpenSymphony yet and JiraMikeJira has.</p>
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		<title>By: anony4</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5042</link>
		<dc:creator>anony4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2003 04:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They do damage because they waste other people&#039;s time (project admin&#039;s as well as other developers).

That time involves voting for the new committer, usually website fanfare, irc regarding how good for the project would be to have him/her on board, etc. etc. All this usually just for &lt; 100 lines of code that any other committer could do in no time. 

The bileblogger has a point here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They do damage because they waste other people&#8217;s time (project admin&#8217;s as well as other developers).</p>
<p>That time involves voting for the new committer, usually website fanfare, irc regarding how good for the project would be to have him/her on board, etc. etc. All this usually just for < 100 lines of code that any other committer could do in no time. </p>
<p>The bileblogger has a point here.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Payne</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5041</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please explain the victim part.

At what point did they actually do damage?

If you are worried about these people ---&gt;
Perhaps their commit access can expire after a point in time.  Also, I think it is okay for different people to have different levels of &quot;commitment&quot;.

Sometimes people are just looking to add their feature.  Once the project does everything they want it to do, whats the big deal if they sit idle and just do support? 

I do think it is important not to try not to spread yourself too thin.  I find it very hard to support more than 3-4 projects.

However, could you please bile the &quot;dead project admins&quot;?  Sometimes a tool looks exciting, and a developer may join up with a project only to find the admin himself does not share the same level of commitment/interest.  I think it is &quot;OKAY&quot; to loose interest if the admin(s) always takes 5 or more days to repond to questions(or does not respond at all).   It can be fustrating if you are are still waiting for the correct cvs access, or you never hear back if they want to proceed on a feature.

  If that is the cause, join a competitive project or start your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please explain the victim part.</p>
<p>At what point did they actually do damage?</p>
<p>If you are worried about these people &#8212;><br />
Perhaps their commit access can expire after a point in time.  Also, I think it is okay for different people to have different levels of &#8220;commitment&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sometimes people are just looking to add their feature.  Once the project does everything they want it to do, whats the big deal if they sit idle and just do support? </p>
<p>I do think it is important not to try not to spread yourself too thin.  I find it very hard to support more than 3-4 projects.</p>
<p>However, could you please bile the &#8220;dead project admins&#8221;?  Sometimes a tool looks exciting, and a developer may join up with a project only to find the admin himself does not share the same level of commitment/interest.  I think it is &#8220;OKAY&#8221; to loose interest if the admin(s) always takes 5 or more days to repond to questions(or does not respond at all).   It can be fustrating if you are are still waiting for the correct cvs access, or you never hear back if they want to proceed on a feature.</p>
<p>  If that is the cause, join a competitive project or start your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Your mom</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5040</link>
		<dc:creator>Your mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the OpenSymphony folks could use some more committers, considering the slow pace at which they churn out shitty software.</description>
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		<title>By: Your mom</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5039</link>
		<dc:creator>Your mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the OpenSymphony folks could use some more committers, considering the slow pace at which they churn out shitty software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the OpenSymphony folks could use some more committers, considering the slow pace at which they churn out shitty software.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5038</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch.... Straight through the heart..  Et tu, hani?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch&#8230;. Straight through the heart..  Et tu, hani?</p>
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		<title>By: Corby Page</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5037</link>
		<dc:creator>Corby Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have migrated OSWorkflow to the Maven build environment. Please give me CVS so I can commit me changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have migrated OSWorkflow to the Maven build environment. Please give me CVS so I can commit me changes.</p>
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		<title>By: fx</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5036</link>
		<dc:creator>fx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a top ten list of commit sluts?</description>
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		<title>By: Rampant Clown</title>
		<link>http://www.bileblog.org/2003/12/commit-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-5035</link>
		<dc:creator>Rampant Clown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got anyone in mind Hani ? Speaking from OpenSymphony experience maybe ?

C&#039;mon! Name names!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got anyone in mind Hani ? Speaking from OpenSymphony experience maybe ?</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon! Name names!</p>
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