Gavin Fleury
Well well well, it looks like the young and impressionable Gavin of Hibernate fame has had his little head turned around and dazzled by the Fleury cabal’s sleight of hand tricks.
I’m sure Gavin knows better than all those others who have walked down that particularly skanky road. I’m sure he’s well aware of how well the Jetty guys were treated when they were invited for a pleasant romp in the ever-growing Fleury orgybed. This deal of course is nothing like that one, it’s not like Hibernate will suddenly be offering JBossGroup services. Ha!
To be fair, from the perspective of the cuddly red-haired kid from down under (I’m so, so tempted to reveal what his girlfriend calls him, but he’d probably hunt me down and kill me if I did), this is a jolly good thing. He now gets paid to piss about on Hibernate. Who the hell cares who signs his paychecks as long as they keep rolling in? Worst comes to worst, impressionable young Gavin realises how evil the cabal is and storms off in a huff and finds a job with a real company. Provided he doesn’t end up spending too much time within the hive he’s likely to remain quite hirable in the near future. It’s fairly obvious that the plan all along once Hibernate became successful was to sell out to the highest bidder.
As for the Hibernate users, well, who the hell cares? They get Hibernate same as they ever did. So what if Gavin is now spending more time ‘adding value’ to his new employer? Of course, I’m sure that working for JBoss is nothing like working for a real company. The Fleurites would never expect Gavin to spend most of his time contributing to their cause, ohnosireebob. I’m sure they’d be thrilled to pay him to do nothing but work on Hibernate stuff that is completely independent and unrelated to JBoss. After all, he’s being hired purely out of the goodness and kindness that positively oozes out of Fleury’s every pore. They’ve hired him simply because Hibernate is great and they want to contribute to its continuing success. Everyone knows that JBossGroup is a charity in disguise, they have no goal but the betterment of the Java world and to fund cool stuff. Indeedy.
Having said all that, from the perspective of someone who has long found Hibernate infuriatingly difficult to bile, this move is a gift from the gods. All you Hibernate monkeys can now be dispatched with ease by the clumsiest of people. Your leader is Fleury, you have been assimilated. Time to get off that pedestal kids. You’re now no better than all those wankers who use JBoss and proclaim it to be the best J2EE server in their pathetic little mbean infested world.
September 18th, 2003 at 12:02 am
blah. This was weak.
September 18th, 2003 at 12:40 am
oooh, Hibernate used to be so punk rock, but then it sold out to the man! and I thought it was all about the music, man!
September 18th, 2003 at 12:42 am
I wonder if we will get to see a comment posted from Gavin’s girlfriend?
September 18th, 2003 at 1:42 am
Yaaaaay I finally got biled!
I’d like to thank Gerald and Fred for showing me the way - I really feel like hit the Big Time now!
Hey Hani, if you’re interested - and I *know* you are - I think theres a place in JBoss Group for OSWorkFlow! (But you might need to be nice to Nathalie for a bit first.)
September 18th, 2003 at 2:28 am
Hmm. Back to Castor then? OJB? Or, *gasp* JDO?? Whatever, as long as you all can agree on some form of OQL, or some variant thereof.
And congrats on getting that hibernate.org domain, tee-hee-hee. BlueMars was getting a little old ..
September 18th, 2003 at 5:36 am
Well, apparently there’s no value-add in it for anyone, from any perspective, other than JBoss Group. Steady paychecks, bah, who needs them.
What are your criteria for “real companies?” JBG claims to make a profit, and they’re certainly still churning out profit. Maybe a real company is supposed to work at a loss?
As far as the users… Is hibernate still hibernate? It may get resources that it didn’t have - the model JBG works upon is (supposedly) that developers get paid to do 50% support, 50% code, so they get paid to work on the product on which they’re assigned. This is hardly “a charity in disguise.”
Say what you will about JBoss Group, they’re believers, and they take themselves seriously.
September 18th, 2003 at 7:03 am
First you say its a bad deal, then you say it a gift from the gods, then you conclude that it’s pathetic.
Well can you make up your mind for once?
Let’s put it this way, he gets paid to do Hibernate… Hibernate by nature doesn’t care about standards…. it doesn’t care about JDO nor does it care about CMP. If JBG wants to pay him to write adaptors for CMP then why not?
September 18th, 2003 at 8:35 am
You guys should know by now that Hani is a bitter man and saying something positive or encouraging just isn’t in his nature. He can’t *even if he wanted to*.
alt.bitter is where Hani belongs - (Hani, do you remember?)
September 18th, 2003 at 9:10 am
Is something wrong? Are you sick? When did you start providing a fair and balanced opinion ;)?
September 18th, 2003 at 9:17 am
To Anonymous at 18.09.2003 07:03:44…
1. Let me remind you, The BileMaster has asked us to not sign with the handle “Anonymous”. You sir/madame, are lacking in character and style. You are also not keeping up on Bile etiquette. If you are a newbie to the BileBlog don’t just start spasming about, spewing forth your masturbatory filth on us before reading the archives you pathetic lemming (wow, that felt really good!! By the way, when is someone going to post an interview with Hani on their blog!?!).
2. Even more evidence of your complete inadequacy is your inability to correctly interpret the English language. The sentence “Having said all that, from the perspective of someone who has long found Hibernate infuriatingly difficult to bile, this move is a gift from the gods.” is quite consistent with the negative jugements expressed. Learn how to read you dork.
The Gladio
September 18th, 2003 at 10:37 am
Keep it up, Hani, and I will offer you a job in marketing. Of course, you’d have to report to one of the twins and sign the infamous clause 17 of the JBG compensation plan–the one where we really outdo IBM and BEA. You can only read it in the last light of the setting sun after saying the appropriate number of incantations. That’s where the unwitting sign over any any thought they may have had about technology over the entire span of their life to JBoss Group.
“Orgy-fest,” “evil cabal,” you do manage to make us sound positively interesting. And here I thought it was just the Stepford Wives Club. As for getting a real job, why’d anybody want to do that? It’s so much more fun to putter about in open source.
September 18th, 2003 at 6:24 pm
“More to come, we believe in giving the opportunity to leading open sourcers to become pro as employees of JBoss Group, an opportunity I never had growing up but I can offer to the best in their field today. That’s the future, I am proud of that. ”
Now I *am* throwing up my breakfast-sausages all over the place full “meaning of life”-style.
Is there a aetting on TSS where one can turn off “sickening marketing jumbo crap from nonprofit professional open source initiates who wants to make a buck” ?
Nathalie, please tell me your offspring did not inherit the fathers (?) pointy-hair?
September 19th, 2003 at 7:08 am
FYI, Hani doesn’t really have a “real” job. Formicary.net is really a front, its been dead ever since the dot com bust. He’s just using it as an excuse to show that he’s got a job.
He just might take you up on the marketing job offer!
September 19th, 2003 at 11:44 am
Hey! Quit using my handle!
January 8th, 2004 at 4:23 pm
last but not least.
“gasp jdo” nobody cares abot jdo # … jdo is the political standard# …. ever tried…?
Anyway i can only be supportive of the fleury family and jboss team. They wants to create a profitable company and give opportunities , we want too.
They are half french …. we too ( my wife is french). They have twins….
We have triplets, giacomo,leonardo,and gregorio.(10 months old)
no joke:)
rodolfo festa bianchet
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